On 2008-02-11, spike1@freenet.co.uk <spike1@freenet.co.uk> wrote:
> In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.misc,
> Tom Newton <tom@server.invalid> didnst hastily scribble thusly:
>> On 2008-02-09, notbob <notbob@nothome.com> wrote:
>>> On 2008-02-09, Tom Newton <tom@server.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If I can ignore their malicious gibbering, so can you.
>>>
>>> The only gibbering is yours. Single minded zealots like yourself only
>>> obscure the real advantage of linunx... choice.
>
>> That is simply not true. I am saying that we have the choice of becoming
>> dependent on KDE (etc.) or actually learning Linux.
>
> Rubbish.
> The two have never been mutually exclusive.

Didn't say they were.

But there aren't very many people who can run Linux from the commandline
that use KDE/Gnome.

There are a lot of people who _say_ they can run Linux from the commandline
who do, however. But they are either fooling themselves or lying.

And people who learn to use KDE/Gnome first, generally don't ever learn
the command line/bash.

They don't want to learn computers, they just want to watch vidoes and
play vidoe games and listen to music and buy stuff and chat.

Different mindsets entirely


> There is no "Business conspiracy" to turn kde users into mindless drones.

They already are mindless drones. If they weren't, they'd know better than
to use KDE/Gnome.

And yes, there is a business conspiracy to turn everyone but the elite
into mindless drones who will consume their products without question.

That's business DEFINED.

> And how can you become "dependent" on kde when kde apps work OUTSIDE the
> environment?
>
>>> I prefer the command line.
>>> I use it and the keyboard whenever possible. But, I also sell online and
>>> use photo utililies available on KDE.
>
>> There are plenty of "photo utilities" that are not dependent on KDE,
>
> So?
> It's just a desktop environment? You know, something that sits on top of a
> window manager doing things the window manager can't or shouldn't do?

How come myself and 10's of thousands of other Linux runners don't need
that "desktop environment" sitting on top of their window manager?

Who wouldn't allow so many of their system resources to be hogged
by one of them when they can do everything and more than the "desktop
environments" can do?

_I_ sit on top of my window manager. And I am a LOT smarter than
any "desktop environment".

>
> Things that make the computing experience much more pleasurable?

They don't make the computing experience more pleasurable. They run
people's computers for them and take the computing experience away
from them.

What they do is make it easy for people to treat their computer like
a fancy TV.

Or they _seem_ to do that. They _claim_ to do that. But someone running
KDE or Gnome has to spend a lot more time making their system work, over
the long term, than someone like me does.

It's the old story of the tortoise and the hare...
>
> Or are you saying we should all prostate ourselve before the altar of linux,
> thrashing ourselves with birch branches whilst chanting Hail Linuses?

I don't do that. I love Linux. It's fun. And I don't need a bunch of
eye-candy and illusory "user-friendliness" to enjoy it.

>> and
>> the ones that come with it can probably be used as standalone apps. Many
>> of their apps can, like Kstars.
>
> You said only this weekend that you'd "conducted some research" and
> concluded that ALL kde apps can run without KDE. Make your mind up.

That was posted after the article you are replying to.

You sure don't think very clearly.

Or you are a liar.

<snip>

Tom

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