On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 15:08:14 +0000, Tom Newton wrote:

> On 2008-02-03, Mark South <mark.south@null.invalid> wrote:
>> On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 00:58:55 +0000, Tom Newton wrote:
>>
>>> So tell us this: If skype works fine with blackbox, then what the hell
>>> are you complaining about?
>>
>> No complaints here. I was asking a question. I'd like to understand
>> in slightly better detail what the difference between the two setups
>> is.
>
> I know. I was just using your post as an excuse to rant.

You are developing a reputation in that direction.

> I think you know that too.

:-)

>>> Why are you knocking yourself out to make it work with KDE?
>>
>> I actually like KDE. I like Gnome too. I like Xfce, Enlightenment,
>> WindowMaker, Fluxbox, Blackbox, Openbox, fvwm, and twm. I even quite
>> like jwm, god help me.
>>
> Once again, you are talking apples and oranges above. A window manager
> and an integrated desktop environment like KDE or Gnome, are very
> different beasts.

Some say so. I believe it to be a matter of degree. There is a
spectrum, and some window managers come close to providing desktop
environments (Enlightenment, Windowmaker) and some have configuration to
make it possible, like fvwm-crystal.

> KDE/Gnome _have_ window managers. They are not window managers.

Yup. It's a layered stack.

> I am using a great window manager right now, called ratpoison. It's just
> about infinitely configurable.
>
> It's 112K with no special libs. Compare that to the size of KDE or Gnome
> and all the special libs they need...
>
> We are talking orders of magnitude of size difference and functional
> difference.

Indeed. And I prefer a bicycle as a means of getting about, but
sometimes a train is more practical.

>> But any of them should be capable of working correctly, and so I asked
>> because I am obviously missing exactly how to ensure that KDE works
>> with Skype. I'm sure that, reading this group, there are many who have
>> this setup working.
>>
>>> Afraid they'll take your computer away for failing to use the
>>> Korporate Desktop Environment?
>>
>> They're more likely to take it away for not using that OS from the top
>> left corner of the US called (*expletive deleted*).
>
> :-)
>
> But KDE/Gnome are clones of the Windows user-interface. By going down
> that path you are protecting yourself from them by doing what they want:
> Becoming more like them.

It's like alcohol. I can take it or let it alone.

> That makes no sense.
>
> KDE/Gnome are all free and open source now, but they won't be for long.
> And once the patents are all secured in the corrupt,
> corporate-controlled courts, Linux is a thing of the past.

Not over this side of the water, here it's going the other direction.