Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.

I wrote, slightly too quickly:
> Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
> ...
>>> P.S. How do I change my debian-user subscription to have the mailing
>>> list
>>> server send me a copy of my own posts? The MajorDomo/SmartList help
>>> response
>>> message doesn't says anything about changing that setting.
>>>
>>> (Not getting such copies is part of why I didn't notice the HTML-mail
>>> problem--and
>>> I wonder how long it has looked that I had my MUA set to do that (how
>>> long the
>>> mail server has been configured that way).)
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>>
>> It's the behaviour of gmail - the bug and the feature simultaneously. Do
>> you use gmail?
>
> No, I'm using SeaMonkey (with POP, it that's relevant.)

s/it/if/

> Daniel

On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 12:41:57PM -0400, Barclay, Daniel wrote:
> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 11:33:39AM -0400, Barclay, Daniel wrote:
> ...
> >>
> >> P.S. How do I change my debian-user subscription to have the mailing list
> >> server send me a copy of my own posts? The MajorDomo/SmartList help response
> >> message doesn't says anything about changing that setting.
> >
> > So far as I know, the default is to get copies of everything. Unless
> > you've changed it otherwise, you should be recieving them. Is you mail
> > system perhaps seeing them as duplicates and deleting them?
>
> That's a good theory.
>
> Any idea how to confirm that it's the mail server and not my MUA (SeaMonkey
> 1.1.9, which I don't suspect but would want to rule out)?

try a different MUA?

A

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On 07/09/08 13:26, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
[snip]
>
> try a different MUA?

This is why IMAP should be the standard mail store, not mboxes in
"proprietary" locations.

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On Wed,09.Jul.08, 12:41:57, Barclay, Daniel wrote:

> Any idea how to confirm that it's the mail server and not my MUA (SeaMonkey
> 1.1.9, which I don't suspect but would want to rule out)?

Subscribe a different address (on a different server)?

Regards,
Andrei
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On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 01:38:35PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 07/09/08 13:26, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> [snip]
> >
> > try a different MUA?
>
> This is why IMAP should be the standard mail store, not mboxes in
> "proprietary" locations.

second that. THe convenience is incredible. Case in point:

last month the family and I took a vacation. For several days we were
going to be at separate locations, so the kids would be without my
laptop (which carries separate accounts for each of them, I am the
best dad in the world!). I installed squirrelmail on my mail server,
pointed it at the IMAP server (dovecot) and the problem was solved, in
about 5 minutes. The whole family had mail access over the web without
mucking around with teaching them how to configure clients (and then
clean up afterwards!) and so forth. easy peasy.

A

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On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:38:21AM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 01:38:35PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On 07/09/08 13:26, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > This is why IMAP should be the standard mail store, not mboxes in
> > "proprietary" locations.

> second that. THe convenience is incredible. Case in point:

Here's another fine example. I use dovecot on my server to expose my mbox
mail via IMAP. Here are the locations from where I regularly check my mail:

On the server itself via mutt (ssh session).
Squirrelmail via any web browser the world over.
Thunderbird on my KUbuntu laptop.
Thunderbird on my Windows partition on my gaming machine.
Thunderbird on my KUbuntu partition on my gaming machine.
Thunderbird on my KUbuntu VirtualBox VM under Windows on my gaming machine.
Thunderbird on my KUbuntu VirtualBox VM under Windows on my work laptop.

Sure, I could do all that with ssh to the server and read via mutt but I
prefer Thunderbird and being able to just point it to my IMAP store, configure
about 3-4 settings and be good to go is a godsend.

The only thing I miss in that setup, really, is the ability to configure
filters from inside the client and subfolders. I know both are possible if I
switch to another IMAP server. However I would lose the flexibility of
ssh/mutt which comes in handy sometimes. Regardless I cannot imagine doing
all of the above without IMAP.

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On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 01:51:01PM -0400, Steve C. Lamb wrote:
> The only thing I miss in that setup, really, is the ability to configure
> filters from inside the client and subfolders. I know both are possible if
> I switch to another IMAP server. However I would lose the flexibility of
> ssh/mutt which comes in handy sometimes. Regardless I cannot imagine doing
> all of the above without IMAP.

Just to correct myself I just found out that TBird and Dovecot can do
subfolders with mbox. One just needs to append a / at the end of the folders
when creating them in Thunderbird. This denotes that it is a folder to
contain other folders (a directory server side) vs a folder to hold mail (an
mbox file).

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On 07/10/08 12:51, Steve C. Lamb wrote:
[snip]
>
> The only thing I miss in that setup, really, is the ability to configure
> filters from inside the client and subfolders. I know both are possible if I
> switch to another IMAP server. However I would lose the flexibility of
> ssh/mutt which comes in handy sometimes. Regardless I cannot imagine doing
> all of the above without IMAP.

????

I set up spamassassin and mailfilter as a hook insides postfix. So
after postfix gets a mail back from SA, it feeds the mail to
mailfilter, which is what does server-side filtering in an easy-to-
read language.

Of course, it drops mails directly into Maildir folders, so you'd
have to tell Dovcot to use Maildir instead of mbox. But that should
not be hard.

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On 07/10/08 12:38, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 01:38:35PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 07/09/08 13:26, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>> [snip]
>>> try a different MUA?
>> This is why IMAP should be the standard mail store, not mboxes in
>> "proprietary" locations.
>
> second that. THe convenience is incredible. Case in point:
>
> last month the family and I took a vacation. For several days we were
> going to be at separate locations, so the kids would be without my
> laptop (which carries separate accounts for each of them, I am the
> best dad in the world!).

Well, no, because I am. Anyway...

Creating individual accounts for everyone on a computer *should* be
nothing to crow about. Not doing it should be a reason the Geek
Police takes your computer away from you.

> I installed squirrelmail on my mail server,
> pointed it at the IMAP server (dovecot) and the problem was solved, in
> about 5 minutes. The whole family had mail access over the web without
> mucking around with teaching them how to configure clients (and then
> clean up afterwards!) and so forth. easy peasy.

- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA USA

"Kittens give Morbo gas. In lighter news, the city of New New
York is doomed."
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Ron Johnson wrote:
> Of course, it drops mails directly into Maildir folders, so you'd
> have to tell Dovcot to use Maildir instead of mbox. But that should
> not be hard.

I was talking about the filters from the client more than the subfolders.
Dovecot doesn't do sieve.


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