The best linux app is midnight commander.

The best X Window app is either openoffice or firefox. Konsole and
Terminal are great as well.

The best gui is XFCE4.4, using KDE apps.

The best editor is vim.

The best CLI newsreader is tin.

The best mail & news client is Thunderbird and it ain't even close.

cordially, as always,

rm

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:51:56 +0000, Realto Margarino
was feeling playful and happily typed:

Not such bad a selection for a freshman ;-)


> The best linux app is midnight commander.

you mean the 'mc' ? with its puny hemisemigraphic GLCLUI ?
that's in your dreams even full GUIs are easier than 'mc' )

> The best X Window app is either openoffice or firefox.

I'd select Scribus and Rosegarden for that special occasion
and Gimp is a full good tool too.

> Konsole and
> Terminal are great as well.

Mmm, I stil prefer the use of 'Eterm' and 'screen' but I'll
admit I _also_ use 'konsole'+'screen'


>
> The best gui is XFCE4.4, using KDE apps.

Almost agreed on that, I've been using it for a long time but
a few years ago I softly switched to 'full KDE', then seeing the light I
jumped up and strung up 'fluxbox', I'm still using a few KDE stuff,
'KMail' when not in 'pine' or (recently) 'claws'.
For my old habits around ratpoison and/or stumpwm that's a sign
I'm slowly gliding down to windoze hubbeets, in a few centuries I'll
be almost prepared to try the downgrade ;D)

>
> The best editor is vim.

Still I prefer elVIs, at least I'm not bovvered by clumsy colors
and flashing brackets pairings any old time, and when I open up
a file I really prefer to be positioned on the first line of the
fragile file instead of having an instantaneous prosopagnosia
while facing the last line the previous admin read when he decided
to doze off.

> The best CLI newsreader is tin.

Not bad, really, I used to like it, but I also used to like slrn
so maybe this "vote" won't count :-)

>
> The best mail & news client is Thunderbird and it ain't even close.

KMail is very good, the only piece of it I don't like (technically speaking,
as in functionality and feelings I'd have more to scratch) is that it
builds up a specific local index/tree. Not a big trouble when you've got
a few minutes and MB to install a local imap server so as to give it
a Bronx smile (or was it a Brixton cheer...) but that's not really

I recently started to test Claws and it's much better in many ways, the
look and feel is maybe a bit harsh for longhornkers

I used TBird a long time in parallel with Eudora (yes) and they both had
their pros and cons tipsy topsy

>
> cordially, as always,
>
> rm

Yes, you delicately and so discreetly, as always, avoided to
name the most useful tool ever:

# rm -rf /.

(-; as always.

* loki harfagr <loki@DarkDesign.free.fr>:
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:51:56 +0000, Realto Margarino
[ ... ]
>> The best editor is vim.
>
> Still I prefer elVIs, at least I'm not bovvered by clumsy colors and
> flashing brackets pairings any old time, and when I open up a file I
> really prefer to be positioned on the first line of the fragile file
> instead of having an instantaneous prosopagnosia while facing the last
> line the previous admin read when he decided to doze off.

Those things, while useful features to some of us, are not particularly
Vim defaults but are configured as such on Slackware. I have been a Vim
user for several years and was pissed off by some of the new "defaults"
when the global vimrc was changed with the release of Slackware 11.0.
There is a solution, however.

<http://www.slackware.com/announce/changes11.0.php>:

set all& " reset all options to compiled in defaults (thanks to deryni
in #vim)
unmap Q " remove mapping to gq
syntax off " turn syntax off
filetype plugin indent off " turn filetype detection off
augroup! vimrcEx " delete the autocommand group that wraps text, etc.

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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:51:56 +0000, Realto Margarino trolled:

> The best linux app is midnight commander.

The best troll is "Realto Margarino".

> cordially, as always,

Smeg off, troll.


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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007, loki harfagr wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:51:56 +0000, Realto Margarino
[...]

<mod quote>
>> The best linux app is midnight commander.
>
> you mean the 'mc' ? with its puny hemisemigraphic GLCLUI ?

</mod quote>

[...]
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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 23:13:43 +0000, loki harfagr wrote:

snip...
>
>> The best linux app is midnight commander.
>
> you mean the 'mc' ? with its puny hemisemigraphic GLCLUI ? that's in
> your dreams even full GUIs are easier than 'mc' )
>

PMFJI, but for us DOS descendants, mc is a wonderful tool. Unless I am
wrong, there is no other file manager for the console. I use it
constantly. Get's my vote.

>> The best X Window app is either openoffice or firefox.
>

Too many.........lots of good ones.

>
>> The best gui is XFCE4.4, using KDE apps.
>
> Almost agreed on that, I've been using it for a long time but a few
> years ago I softly switched to 'full KDE', then seeing the light I
> jumped up and strung up 'fluxbox', I'm still using a few KDE stuff,
> 'KMail' when not in 'pine' or (recently) 'claws'. For my old habits
> around ratpoison and/or stumpwm that's a sign I'm slowly gliding down to
> windoze hubbeets, in a few centuries I'll be almost prepared to try the
> downgrade ;D)
>

enlightenment 0.16.8 for me with ROX as the desktop and panel.
Lightweight, fast, flexible.

>
>> The best editor is vim.
>
+1

> Still I prefer elVIs, at least I'm not bovvered by clumsy colors and
> flashing brackets pairings any old time, and when I open up a file I
> really prefer to be positioned on the first line of the fragile file
> instead of having an instantaneous prosopagnosia while facing the last
> line the previous admin read when he decided to doze off.
>
>
>> The best mail & news client is Thunderbird and it ain't even close.
>
> KMail is very good, the only piece of it I don't like (technically
> speaking, as in functionality and feelings I'd have more to scratch) is
> that it builds up a specific local index/tree. Not a big trouble when
> you've got a few minutes and MB to install a local imap server so as to
> give it a Bronx smile (or was it a Brixton cheer...) but that's not
> really
>

Evolution

> I recently started to test Claws and it's much better in many ways, the
> look and feel is maybe a bit harsh for longhornkers
>

Claws is ok, but you cannot compose HTML mail (sometimes you need to).

> I used TBird a long time in parallel with Eudora (yes) and they both had
> their pros and cons tipsy topsy
>
>
>> cordially, as always,
>>
>> rm
>
> Yes, you delicately and so discreetly, as always, avoided to name the
> most useful tool ever:
>
> # rm -rf /.
>
> (-; as always.

I do believe this is NOT the rm we all know and love. He did not use WE.
Amazing how he can be a troll without even posting anymore!


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Peter <peter@localhost.com> says:

>> Yes, you delicately and so discreetly, as always, avoided to name the
>> most useful tool ever:
>>
>> # rm -rf /.
>>
>> (-; as always.

>I do believe this is NOT the rm we all know and love. He did not use WE.
>Amazing how he can be a troll without even posting anymore!

No, it was us. We didn't refer to ourself in the first person. The
"I" that you see is another poster.

cordially, as always,

rm

On 2007-08-15 Wed 05:08:47, Peter wrote:
> PMFJI, but for us DOS descendants, mc is a wonderful tool. Unless I am
> wrong, there is no other file manager for the console. I use it
> constantly. Get's my vote.

vifm
vfu
deco

I think you can still get XTree for Unix, maybe others.

Some dude is kinda porting DOS Navigator to Linux but, last time I saw
it, it wasn't ready for prime time.

None of those are much good at the present time except vifm, though.



BTW, FWIW (not much):
The best linux app is [apps are] bash and friends.
(mc with 'lynx-like motion' makes a great alternative to 'cd;ls', though.)
The best X Window app is seamonkey.
The best gui is fvwm, configured to be like a souped-up evilwm
The best editor is vim.
The best newsreader is slrn.
The best mail client is mutt.

On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:08:47 +0000, Peter wrote:

> PMFJI, but for us DOS descendants, mc is a wonderful tool. Unless I am
> wrong, there is no other file manager for the console. I use it
> constantly. Get's my vote.

Same here. It's a must have for me even today. If not for mc I probably
never would have learned my way around Slackware (or any Linux) 12-13
years ago.

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Ron Gibson <rsgibson@verizon.net> says:
>On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:08:47 +0000, Peter wrote:

>> PMFJI, but for us DOS descendants, mc is a wonderful tool. Unless
>> I am wrong, there is no other file manager for the console. I use
>> it constantly. Get's my vote.

>Same here. It's a must have for me even today. If not for mc I
>probably never would have learned my way around Slackware (or any
>Linux) 12-13 years ago.

mc has come a long way, itself, since back then. It was only
written 11 years ago.

cordially, as always,

rm