Guys,
When I first bought the Ultra 10 (440MHz,512MB and no Creator3D), I
connected to the VGA and minimal installed Solaris 8.

OBP version = 3.25

Then I bought a creator 3D card + 13W3 adaptor, installed the card in
the UPA slot and got myself into the following troubles, when I
connected the PC monitor via 13W3 adaptor to the UPA card:

#1. I get this message all the time: Can't find driver for console
framebuffer

#2. If I boot off the hard disk (solaris 8) I get to the stage when it
is trying to launch X desktop, then hangs.

#3. After searching the web, I realized that perhaps the necessay
drivers were not installed in Solaris 8. So I tried to install Solaris
10 6/06. This time I get the error:
Fast Data Access MMU Miss. I also learnt that this is a very difficult
error to investigate.

Please can anyone help me to sort this issue? My goal is to install
Solaris 10 to learn.
I have *NO* idea of any of the OBP commands. Any help will be
appreciated.

TIA
AS

thick_guy_9 wrote:

> Guys,
> When I first bought the Ultra 10 (440MHz,512MB and no Creator3D), I
> connected to the VGA and minimal installed Solaris 8.
>
> OBP version = 3.25
>
> Then I bought a creator 3D card + 13W3 adaptor, installed the card in
> the UPA slot and got myself into the following troubles, when I
> connected the PC monitor via 13W3 adaptor to the UPA card:
>
> #1. I get this message all the time: Can't find driver for console
> framebuffer
>
> #2. If I boot off the hard disk (solaris 8) I get to the stage when it
> is trying to launch X desktop, then hangs.
>
> #3. After searching the web, I realized that perhaps the necessay
> drivers were not installed in Solaris 8. So I tried to install Solaris
> 10 6/06. This time I get the error:
> Fast Data Access MMU Miss. I also learnt that this is a very difficult
> error to investigate.
>
> Please can anyone help me to sort this issue? My goal is to install
> Solaris 10 to learn.
> I have *NO* idea of any of the OBP commands. Any help will be
> appreciated.
>
> TIA
> AS
>

Two comments! Your OBP is not current. The current version is v3.1.
It has nothing to do with your Creator problem and is not something that
urgently needs to be fixed. You may, however, want to get that up to
date after you solve your other problems.

Solaris 8 has the necessary drivers! If you did less than the "full"
install they may not have been installed because you did not have the
hardware installed. Good luck finding out which package(s) install the
driver; the labor involved in that is why I do the full install in the
first place.

See docs.sun.com for OBP documentation.

In article <O_CdnVDaYNkHQmvZnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@comcast.com> "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes:
>thick_guy_9 wrote:
>
>> Guys,
>> When I first bought the Ultra 10 (440MHz,512MB and no Creator3D), I
>> connected to the VGA and minimal installed Solaris 8.
>>
>> OBP version = 3.25
>>
>> Then I bought a creator 3D card + 13W3 adaptor, installed the card in
>> the UPA slot and got myself into the following troubles, when I
>> connected the PC monitor via 13W3 adaptor to the UPA card:
>>
>> #1. I get this message all the time: Can't find driver for console
>> framebuffer
>>
>> #2. If I boot off the hard disk (solaris 8) I get to the stage when it
>> is trying to launch X desktop, then hangs.
>>
>> #3. After searching the web, I realized that perhaps the necessay
>> drivers were not installed in Solaris 8. So I tried to install Solaris
>> 10 6/06. This time I get the error:
>> Fast Data Access MMU Miss. I also learnt that this is a very difficult
>> error to investigate.
>>
>> Please can anyone help me to sort this issue? My goal is to install
>> Solaris 10 to learn.
>> I have *NO* idea of any of the OBP commands. Any help will be
>> appreciated.
>>
>> TIA
>> AS
>>
>
>Two comments! Your OBP is not current. The current version is v3.1.
>It has nothing to do with your Creator problem and is not something that
>urgently needs to be fixed. You may, however, want to get that up to
>date after you solve your other problems.
>
>Solaris 8 has the necessary drivers! If you did less than the "full"
>install they may not have been installed because you did not have the
>hardware installed. Good luck finding out which package(s) install the
>driver; the labor involved in that is why I do the full install in the
>first place.
>
>See docs.sun.com for OBP documentation.

A couple of notes:

The current OBP release is 3.31, contained in patch-id 106121-18.

I believe that the packages you'll need for the Creator under Solaris 8
are SUNWffb, SUNWffbcf, SUNWffbw, and SUNWffbx. If you have the XIL
runtime environment installed, you might want SUNWxilvl as well. Be
sure to install any patches associated with these packages, which would
at least be 108605-37. If you get a second monitor, you can run
your Ultra 10 dual-headed, but you can't merge the displays into
one large display (Xinerama mode). At least, I've never been able to
get it to work. I do know that the color depths have to be the same,
and since the Creator does both 8 & 24 bit color, and the PGX24 does
only 8 _or_ 24 bit, that this won't work. I did try using a PGX32
(which can do 8+24 bit color) and the Creator that way, and they
wouldn't work either.

Solaris 8 should run very nicely on your Ultra 10. I've got 1 GB of
memory in mine, along with SCSI drives, and (yeah I know I shouldn't
have) I've overclocked the 440 MHz processor to 480 MHz. SCSI makes
a huge difference in these machines -- the I/O with IDE drives is
pathetic.
--
Jeff Wieland

thick_guy_9 wrote:

> Guys,
> When I first bought the Ultra 10 (440MHz,512MB and no Creator3D), I
> connected to the VGA and minimal installed Solaris 8.
>
> OBP version = 3.25
>
> Then I bought a creator 3D card + 13W3 adaptor, installed the card in
> the UPA slot and got myself into the following troubles, when I
> connected the PC monitor via 13W3 adaptor to the UPA card:
>
> #1. I get this message all the time: Can't find driver for console
> framebuffer
>
> #2. If I boot off the hard disk (solaris 8) I get to the stage when it
> is trying to launch X desktop, then hangs.
>
> #3. After searching the web, I realized that perhaps the necessay
> drivers were not installed in Solaris 8. So I tried to install Solaris
> 10 6/06. This time I get the error:
> Fast Data Access MMU Miss. I also learnt that this is a very difficult
> error to investigate.
>
> Please can anyone help me to sort this issue? My goal is to install
> Solaris 10 to learn.
> I have *NO* idea of any of the OBP commands. Any help will be
> appreciated.
>
> TIA
> AS
>

Check (pkgchk) that you have the following packages installed:
SUNWffb.u CreatorGraphics (FFB) System S/W Device Driver
SUNWffbcf CreatorGraphics (FFB) Configuration Software
SUNWffbw CreatorGraphics (FFB) Window System Support
SUNWffbxg CreatorGraphics (FFB) XGL Support
SUNWffbx CreatorGraphics (FFB) System S/W Device Driver (64-bit)

If they are not installed, you must install them.

"Fast Data Access MMU Miss" is a hardware problem. If it persists you
can try removing your memory DIMMS (use anti-static precautions!), and
reseating them. If that doesn't fix the problem you need professional
help and it's probably cheaper to scrap and replace the machine than to
pay Sun for a service call.

In article <qOCdnah5i_hYsmrZnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:
>thick_guy_9 wrote:
>
>> Guys,
>> When I first bought the Ultra 10 (440MHz,512MB and no Creator3D), I
>> connected to the VGA and minimal installed Solaris 8.
>>
>> OBP version = 3.25
>>
>> Then I bought a creator 3D card + 13W3 adaptor, installed the card in
>> the UPA slot and got myself into the following troubles, when I
>> connected the PC monitor via 13W3 adaptor to the UPA card:
>>
>> #1. I get this message all the time: Can't find driver for console
>> framebuffer
>>
>> #2. If I boot off the hard disk (solaris 8) I get to the stage when it
>> is trying to launch X desktop, then hangs.
>>
>> #3. After searching the web, I realized that perhaps the necessay
>> drivers were not installed in Solaris 8. So I tried to install Solaris
>> 10 6/06. This time I get the error:
>> Fast Data Access MMU Miss. I also learnt that this is a very difficult
>> error to investigate.
>>
>> Please can anyone help me to sort this issue? My goal is to install
>> Solaris 10 to learn.
>> I have *NO* idea of any of the OBP commands. Any help will be
>> appreciated.
>>
>> TIA
>> AS
>>
>
>Check (pkgchk) that you have the following packages installed:
>SUNWffb.u CreatorGraphics (FFB) System S/W Device Driver
>SUNWffbcf CreatorGraphics (FFB) Configuration Software
>SUNWffbw CreatorGraphics (FFB) Window System Support
>SUNWffbxg CreatorGraphics (FFB) XGL Support
>SUNWffbx CreatorGraphics (FFB) System S/W Device Driver (64-bit)
>
>If they are not installed, you must install them.

This sounds like what was originally missing to, as well.
I believe that the installer will install these automatically
if it sees the card at install time. If you put the card
in at a later time. You'll have to add them yourself.

You may also need to install the OpenGL packages to
get 3D to work, but these should at least get X (2D) working.

>"Fast Data Access MMU Miss" is a hardware problem. If it persists you
>can try removing your memory DIMMS (use anti-static precautions!), and
>reseating them. If that doesn't fix the problem you need professional
>help and it's probably cheaper to scrap and replace the machine than to
>pay Sun for a service call.

This also can happen if you make an invalid access from an fcode program.
This can happen by accessing an invalid pointer/address (a firmware bug),
or a device that doesn't exist. It's something you'd get a SEGV or Bus Error
for if Unix was running. So unfortunately, it can mean a lot of things.

Make sure there is is nothing in your environment explicitly referencing
something that may have been removed. Like output-device set to
an old graphics card (reset this to "display), and it'll look for the
"best" one). Or maybe an old disk/controller or network card.

In article <ed7ak1$os6$1@mailhub227.itcs.purdue.edu>, Jeff Wieland <wieland@nospampurdue.edu> wrote:
>In article <O_CdnVDaYNkHQmvZnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@comcast.com> "Richard B. Gilbert"
> <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes:
>>thick_guy_9 wrote:
>>
>>> Guys,
>>> When I first bought the Ultra 10 (440MHz,512MB and no Creator3D), I
>>> connected to the VGA and minimal installed Solaris 8.
>>>
>>> OBP version = 3.25
>>>
>>> Then I bought a creator 3D card + 13W3 adaptor, installed the card in
>>> the UPA slot and got myself into the following troubles, when I
>>> connected the PC monitor via 13W3 adaptor to the UPA card:
>>>
>>> #1. I get this message all the time: Can't find driver for console
>>> framebuffer
>>>
>>> #2. If I boot off the hard disk (solaris 8) I get to the stage when it
>>> is trying to launch X desktop, then hangs.
>>>
>>> #3. After searching the web, I realized that perhaps the necessay
>>> drivers were not installed in Solaris 8. So I tried to install Solaris
>>> 10 6/06. This time I get the error:
>>> Fast Data Access MMU Miss. I also learnt that this is a very difficult
>>> error to investigate.
>>>
>>> Please can anyone help me to sort this issue? My goal is to install
>>> Solaris 10 to learn.
>>> I have *NO* idea of any of the OBP commands. Any help will be
>>> appreciated.
>>>
>>> TIA
>>> AS
>>>
>>
>>Two comments! Your OBP is not current. The current version is v3.1.
>>It has nothing to do with your Creator problem and is not something that
>>urgently needs to be fixed. You may, however, want to get that up to
>>date after you solve your other problems.
>>
>>Solaris 8 has the necessary drivers! If you did less than the "full"
>>install they may not have been installed because you did not have the
>>hardware installed. Good luck finding out which package(s) install the
>>driver; the labor involved in that is why I do the full install in the
>>first place.
>>
>>See docs.sun.com for OBP documentation.
>
>A couple of notes:
>
>The current OBP release is 3.31, contained in patch-id 106121-18.
>
>I believe that the packages you'll need for the Creator under Solaris 8
>are SUNWffb, SUNWffbcf, SUNWffbw, and SUNWffbx. If you have the XIL
>runtime environment installed, you might want SUNWxilvl as well. Be
>sure to install any patches associated with these packages, which would
>at least be 108605-37. If you get a second monitor, you can run
>your Ultra 10 dual-headed, but you can't merge the displays into
>one large display (Xinerama mode). At least, I've never been able to
>get it to work. I do know that the color depths have to be the same,
>and since the Creator does both 8 & 24 bit color, and the PGX24 does
>only 8 _or_ 24 bit, that this won't work. I did try using a PGX32
>(which can do 8+24 bit color) and the Creator that way, and they
>wouldn't work either.
>

For XInerama, you essentially need to have all the graphics cards
be identical. Or at least nearly so (use the same driver).
So you could probably do it with an FFB2 and an FFB2+, since
they both use the same driver. Supposedly the IFB and JFB
drivers are close enough to intermix, as well.
The screen resolution needs to match, as well. At least
at the adjoining edge (so 1920x1200 and 1600x1200 can
be used side to side, but not top to bottom)
Also make sure all the cards are configured the same
as far as depth and color (defdepth, fake8, etc).


>Solaris 8 should run very nicely on your Ultra 10. I've got 1 GB of
>memory in mine, along with SCSI drives, and (yeah I know I shouldn't
>have) I've overclocked the 440 MHz processor to 480 MHz. SCSI makes
>a huge difference in these machines -- the I/O with IDE drives is
>pathetic.

Jeff Wieland wrote:
> have) I've overclocked the 440 MHz processor to 480 MHz. SCSI makes
> a huge difference in these machines -- the I/O with IDE drives is
> pathetic.
> --
> Jeff Wieland

Jeff,
What compatible SCSI cards are you using? Used SCSI cards are too
expensive and hard to come by :-( I will remember for future
"upgrades". For now I need to get this sorted
Thanks

Hi,

thick_guy_9 wrote:
> Jeff Wieland wrote:
>
>>have) I've overclocked the 440 MHz processor to 480 MHz. SCSI makes
>>a huge difference in these machines -- the I/O with IDE drives is
>>pathetic.
>>--
>>Jeff Wieland
>
>
> Jeff,
> What compatible SCSI cards are you using? Used SCSI cards are too
> expensive and hard to come by :-( I will remember for future
> "upgrades". For now I need to get this sorted
> Thanks
>
A original Sun SCSI card which you can use for booting and connecting
inside the U10 is not that expensive, nor disks.

Ofcourse, depends on where you are located.

Look on Ebay for Sun Swift PCI,
http://cgi.ebay.com/SUN-SunSwift-PCI...QQcmdZViewItem

$27, I have a number of them and they work fine and should be cheap to ship.

Theu you can connect then using a standard SCSI 68 pol cable(not the one
used for external use), also cheap ones.

A normal 68 pol SCSO(not SCA) is also cheap unless you need a huge, so
it should not cost you that much to upgrade.

/michael

UPDATE:
Thanks gentlemen, for all your inputs.

I spent the best part of this morning and last night to get this sorted
out. Also posted it on Sun Forums.
I tried #1 following the suggestion there (I am in Asia TZ, so did not
see your replies when I left for home):

1. ok show-displays
then chose /SUNW:ffb@1e,0 which is the Creator card.
Then,
ok nvalias myscreen ^Y
ok setenv output-device myscreen

But still no luck.

1.1 Then, I tried to reinstall Solaris 8 2/04. This time, I COULD
NOT get the mouse to work, during and even after the installation was
complete. I can use the UPA card though, so I assume Solaris 8
installed the drivers.
1.2 Then, tried to install Gentoo Linux (to try if it recognizes
the Mouse and Creator card). After a frustating install trying to
compile the Linux kernel (with buggy DMA sound programs), when I
rebooted I get the same MMU Miss issue, after SILO.
1.3 Solaris 10 6/06 Install CD is stubbornly refused with the MMU
miss error.

2. As per you folks' suggestion, I will remove and reinsert the memory
chips.
But, what are the NON-STATIC PRECAUTIONS? Any help here please?

3. Also I plan to remove the Creator card, and try to install Solaris
10 using VGA card. It will be slow and bring grief to the family,
because of loss of family time. :-|. But atleast I know that the
machine does not dislike Solaris 10.

The QUESTIONS that nags me though:
1. Why-o-why is the Solaris 10 CD 1 only give the MMU Miss error?
2. when I do OK PRINTENV, I see PGX24 with a defined value. This system
was preowned, so I am not sure if this has to be removed.

Thank you guys...

thick_guy_9 wrote:
> UPDATE:
> Thanks gentlemen, for all your inputs.
>
> I spent the best part of this morning and last night to get this sorted
> out. Also posted it on Sun Forums.
> I tried #1 following the suggestion there (I am in Asia TZ, so did not
> see your replies when I left for home):
>
> 1. ok show-displays
> then chose /SUNW:ffb@1e,0 which is the Creator card.
> Then,
> ok nvalias myscreen ^Y
> ok setenv output-device myscreen
>
> But still no luck.
>
> 1.1 Then, I tried to reinstall Solaris 8 2/04. This time, I COULD
> NOT get the mouse to work, during and even after the installation was
> complete. I can use the UPA card though, so I assume Solaris 8
> installed the drivers.
> 1.2 Then, tried to install Gentoo Linux (to try if it recognizes
> the Mouse and Creator card). After a frustating install trying to
> compile the Linux kernel (with buggy DMA sound programs), when I
> rebooted I get the same MMU Miss issue, after SILO.
> 1.3 Solaris 10 6/06 Install CD is stubbornly refused with the MMU
> miss error.
>
> 2. As per you folks' suggestion, I will remove and reinsert the memory
> chips.
> But, what are the NON-STATIC PRECAUTIONS? Any help here please?

At the bare minimum, touch the metal frame of the machine before
handling the DIMMs. Better is to purchase an anti-static wrist strap,
connect it to the metal frame of the machine and wear it. An
electrostatic charge that you would not even notice is sufficient to
damage some computer chips. The precautions are cheap, replacing memory
DIMMs, or a mother board is not!