"Ulrich Windl" <Ulrich.Windl@RZ.Uni-Regensburg.DE> wrote in message news:m38yomikeh.fsf@pc5234.klinik.uni-regensburg.de...
> kroff@mail.ru (kroff) writes:
>
> > hi
> > i need help with this little problem i have.
> >
> > i don't know much on hp-unix but my friend has an old hp workstation
> > ..running on the motorola 68030 processor. i dont know any details
> > just that theres a hp-ux v3.2 on the machine.
>
> Possibly a candidate for the HP museum. I only know MS-DOS 3.20...

There were some real early hp-ux releases that enjoyed limited
popularity. The 9816 was actually announced as being unix
capable, but then pulled back when it was discovered that half
a meg of ram wasn't going to hack it for the implementation of
hp-ux available.

There was a 9836U with a 68010 processor. Probably ran
3.X or 4.X vintage code.


> >
> > now i need some help on how to add a second scsi hard drive. how to
> > mount it and all other info ..or at least some links to resources on
> > the net.

If there's no scsi, there's a small chance you could find a 98265A
DIO-I card (excellent card, btw) and add it to the system, if there
are slots for it. I believe the 340 type of computers had daughter
cards on the motherboard that were equivalent. I'm thinking you
need 5.X code or later.

If you really want to run this, maybe www.netbsd.org would be your
best bet. Of course, Linux on a junker PC is going to run circles around
it at this point if the objective is to do actual computing.



> > thnx
> > kroff

David Kinsell wrote:

> "Ulrich Windl" <Ulrich.Windl@RZ.Uni-Regensburg.DE> wrote in message news:m38yomikeh.fsf@pc5234.klinik.uni-regensburg.de...
> > kroff@mail.ru (kroff) writes:
> >
> > > hi
> > > i need help with this little problem i have.
> > >
> > > i don't know much on hp-unix but my friend has an old hp workstation
> > > ..running on the motorola 68030 processor. i dont know any details
> > > just that theres a hp-ux v3.2 on the machine.
> >
> > Possibly a candidate for the HP museum. I only know MS-DOS 3.20...
>
> There were some real early hp-ux releases that enjoyed limited
> popularity. The 9816 was actually announced as being unix
> capable, but then pulled back when it was discovered that half
> a meg of ram wasn't going to hack it for the implementation of
> hp-ux available.

You could get a 1M RAM card for the 9816 the one on my desk used to
have 1.5MB of RAM, but only twin floppies (9122) so it took about 6 floppies
to start everything up in the morning.

I thought the problem was that the version of HP-UX for the 200 series
(once they were renamined to being 200 series :-) needed the memory
management unit from the 68010.

Only the 9807 IPC (aka sewing machine) ran HP-UX without the the MMU.

We bought some 217s with the thought of upgrading them to running HP-UX
but never got around to it.

>
>
> There was a 9836U with a 68010 processor. Probably ran
> 3.X or 4.X vintage code.
>

I guess these boxes started with HP-UX 1.0

I'm sure Frank will dive in with a full list at some point.

>
> > >
> > > now i need some help on how to add a second scsi hard drive. how to
> > > mount it and all other info ..or at least some links to resources on
> > > the net.
>
> If there's no scsi, there's a small chance you could find a 98265A
> DIO-I card (excellent card, btw) and add it to the system, if there
> are slots for it. I believe the 340 type of computers had daughter
> cards on the motherboard that were equivalent. I'm thinking you
> need 5.X code or later.
>

340s were way later, didn't they need HP-UX 7?
The first of the mini systems, the 318 came out about the same time
as HP-UX 6, and made nice diskless clients, 319s probably needed
6.5 which is where SCSI support first appeared IIRC.

>
> If you really want to run this, maybe www.netbsd.org would be your
> best bet. Of course, Linux on a junker PC is going to run circles around
> it at this point if the objective is to do actual computing.
>
> > > thnx
> > > kroff

Cheers

Ken

Ken Green <Ken.Green@kgcc.co.uk> wrote:
> David Kinsell wrote:
>
>> "Ulrich Windl" <Ulrich.Windl@RZ.Uni-Regensburg.DE> wrote in message news:m38yomikeh.fsf@pc5234.klinik.uni-regensburg.de...
>> > kroff@mail.ru (kroff) writes:
>> >
>> > > hi
>> > > i need help with this little problem i have.
>> > >
>> > > i don't know much on hp-unix but my friend has an old hp workstation
>> > > ..running on the motorola 68030 processor. i dont know any details
>> > > just that theres a hp-ux v3.2 on the machine.
>> >
>> > Possibly a candidate for the HP museum. I only know MS-DOS 3.20...
>>
>> There were some real early hp-ux releases that enjoyed limited
>> popularity. The 9816 was actually announced as being unix
>> capable, but then pulled back when it was discovered that half
>> a meg of ram wasn't going to hack it for the implementation of
>> hp-ux available.
>
> You could get a 1M RAM card for the 9816 the one on my desk used to
> have 1.5MB of RAM, but only twin floppies (9122) so it took about 6 floppies
> to start everything up in the morning.

IIRC, I ran HP-UX 5.0 on a (68010) Series 300 with only 768KB (0.75MB)
RAM during my summer-of-1985 real-time tests.

> I thought the problem was that the version of HP-UX for the 200 series
> (once they were renamined to being 200 series :-) needed the memory
> management unit from the 68010.

Yes, HP-UX needed a MMU, but AFAIK, the 68010 was only used in the
Series 300, not 200 (at least with HP-UX).

> Only the 9807 IPC (aka sewing machine) ran HP-UX without the the MMU.
>
> We bought some 217s with the thought of upgrading them to running HP-UX
> but never got around to it.
>>
>> There was a 9836U with a 68010 processor. Probably ran
>> 3.X or 4.X vintage code.
>
> I guess these boxes started with HP-UX 1.0
>
> I'm sure Frank will dive in with a full list at some point.

I suppose that's my cue! :-)

The Series *500* (Focus, not Motorola, CPU) and Series *200* (Motorola
CPU) both started with *a* HP-UX 1.0 (or 1.04 or some such). IIRC, the
Series *300* (Motorola 68010 and 68020 and later 68030) started with
HP-UX 5.0 because at the time the Series 500 had progressed to that
number.

Because the OP mentioned 68030, I think it can't be HP-UX "3.2". I
doubt that there was ever *any* HP-UX 3.2. I remember 3.1 for the Series
*800*, but not a 3.2. IIRC, the Series 800 went from 3.1 to 7.0 because
the Series 300 had progressed to that number.

And they say that 11.X version numbers are confusing! Peanuts compared
to this stuff! :-)

Well, I guess that if we search really, really hard, we will find The
Real History (tm), even on the web. After all, not too long ago I saw
some 1968 or so HP computer documentation on the web, so this
1983-and-later HP-UX stuff is brand new! :-)

>> > > now i need some help on how to add a second scsi hard drive. how to
>> > > mount it and all other info ..or at least some links to resources on
>> > > the net.
>>
>> If there's no scsi, there's a small chance you could find a 98265A
>> DIO-I card (excellent card, btw) and add it to the system, if there
>> are slots for it. I believe the 340 type of computers had daughter
>> cards on the motherboard that were equivalent. I'm thinking you
>> need 5.X code or later.
>
> 340s were way later, didn't they need HP-UX 7?

I think so.

> The first of the mini systems, the 318 came out about the same time
> as HP-UX 6, and made nice diskless clients, 319s probably needed
> 6.5 which is where SCSI support first appeared IIRC.
>
>>
>> If you really want to run this, maybe www.netbsd.org would be your
>> best bet. Of course, Linux on a junker PC is going to run circles around
>> it at this point if the objective is to do actual computing.
>>
>> > > thnx
>> > > kroff
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken

Frank Slootweg wrote:

> Ken Green <Ken.Green@kgcc.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> > You could get a 1M RAM card for the 9816 the one on my desk used to
> > have 1.5MB of RAM, but only twin floppies (9122) so it took about 6 floppies
> > to start everything up in the morning.
>
> IIRC, I ran HP-UX 5.0 on a (68010) Series 300 with only 768KB (0.75MB)
> RAM during my summer-of-1985 real-time tests.
>
> > I thought the problem was that the version of HP-UX for the 200 series
> > (once they were renamined to being 200 series :-) needed the memory
> > management unit from the 68010.
>
> Yes, HP-UX needed a MMU, but AFAIK, the 68010 was only used in the
> Series 300, not 200 (at least with HP-UX).

The 9836CU, 9920U & 217 all had 68010s, I seem to remember a box with
a 68012 as well, but maybe I'm loosing my marbles.

>
>
> > Only the 9807 IPC (aka sewing machine) ran HP-UX without the the MMU.
> >
> > We bought some 217s with the thought of upgrading them to running HP-UX
> > but never got around to it.
> >>
> >> There was a 9836U with a 68010 processor. Probably ran
> >> 3.X or 4.X vintage code.
> >
> > I guess these boxes started with HP-UX 1.0
> >
> > I'm sure Frank will dive in with a full list at some point.
>
> I suppose that's my cue! :-)
>

:-)

>
> The Series *500* (Focus, not Motorola, CPU) and Series *200* (Motorola
> CPU) both started with *a* HP-UX 1.0 (or 1.04 or some such). IIRC, the
> Series *300* (Motorola 68010 and 68020 and later 68030) started with
> HP-UX 5.0 because at the time the Series 500 had progressed to that
> number.
>

I missed the middle bit, I played with early 500's, 98XX/200s and IPCs then had
a some time off to play with Vaxes, and Ultrix 1.0 so I missed a few releases
it has gone to 5.2 by the time I got back to HP-UX, with the 320 & 310. 5.3
added support for the 350 (which was a really great box, the Apollo guys couldn't
understand how anyone made a MC68020 go that fast :-)

>
> Because the OP mentioned 68030, I think it can't be HP-UX "3.2". I
> doubt that there was ever *any* HP-UX 3.2. I remember 3.1 for the Series
> *800*, but not a 3.2. IIRC, the Series 800 went from 3.1 to 7.0 because
> the Series 300 had progressed to that number.
>
> And they say that 11.X version numbers are confusing! Peanuts compared
> to this stuff! :-)

At least back at HP-UX 3 -->> 7 we didn't have marketing names as well as real
release numbers to worry about.

>
>
> Well, I guess that if we search really, really hard, we will find The
> Real History (tm), even on the web. After all, not too long ago I saw
> some 1968 or so HP computer documentation on the web, so this
> 1983-and-later HP-UX stuff is brand new! :-)
>

I'm seem to remember a couple of years ago seeing a really good history
of HP-UX whilst working at TPEC

Cheers

Ken

"Frank Slootweg" <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote in message news:54jcb.357278$0W5.10610464@pollux.casema.net.. .

>
> Because the OP mentioned 68030, I think it can't be HP-UX "3.2". I
> doubt that there was ever *any* HP-UX 3.2. I remember 3.1 for the Series
> *800*, but not a 3.2. IIRC, the Series 800 went from 3.1 to 7.0 because
> the Series 300 had progressed to that number.

I thought they jumped to 8.0 for the great "merge".


>
> Well, I guess that if we search really, really hard, we will find The
> Real History (tm), even on the web. After all, not too long ago I saw
> some 1968 or so HP computer documentation on the web, so this
> 1983-and-later HP-UX stuff is brand new! :-)

Had a boss onetime that had worked on ROM's for the 9100
calculators. Diodes populated on a PC boad. At least there
wasn't any problems reading the bits.

Dave

"Ken Green" <Ken.Green@kgcc.co.uk> wrote in message news:3F717342.C1982905@kgcc.co.uk...
> David Kinsell wrote:
>
> > "Ulrich Windl" <Ulrich.Windl@RZ.Uni-Regensburg.DE> wrote in message news:m38yomikeh.fsf@pc5234.klinik.uni-regensburg.de...
> > > kroff@mail.ru (kroff) writes:
> > >
> > > > hi
> > > > i need help with this little problem i have.
> > > >
> > > > i don't know much on hp-unix but my friend has an old hp workstation
> > > > ..running on the motorola 68030 processor. i dont know any details
> > > > just that theres a hp-ux v3.2 on the machine.
> > >
> > > Possibly a candidate for the HP museum. I only know MS-DOS 3.20...
> >
> > There were some real early hp-ux releases that enjoyed limited
> > popularity. The 9816 was actually announced as being unix
> > capable, but then pulled back when it was discovered that half
> > a meg of ram wasn't going to hack it for the implementation of
> > hp-ux available.
>
> You could get a 1M RAM card for the 9816 the one on my desk used to
> have 1.5MB of RAM, but only twin floppies (9122) so it took about 6 floppies
> to start everything up in the morning.

I think at introduction, the 9816 had 256K max built in, and
you could add another 256K with a DIO card (98256A,
aka "the quarter pounder"). The second DIO slot was typically
used for an HP-IB disk interface, or an SRM card. Later on,
a megabyte card (98257A) was available. One of the museum
web sites says 1/8 to 1/2 meg built in, with provision for 4 megs,
which I don't remember. Maybe later memory cards bumped that
up.


> I thought the problem was that the version of HP-UX for the 200 series
> (once they were renamined to being 200 series :-) needed the memory
> management unit from the 68010.

I think there was an intent to operate without an MMU for the 9816,
but the small physical memory combined with lack of expansion from
an MMU proved its downfall.

> Only the 9807 IPC (aka sewing machine) ran HP-UX without the the MMU.

That was an interesting beast. Have a friend that has an operating unit
at home. His impression is that the hp-ux releases were coordinated
between it and the workstations, but that seems unlikely. Probably just
similar release numbers.

Dave

David Kinsell <kinsell@poboxyz.com> wrote:
[deleted]
> Had a boss onetime that had worked on ROM's for the 9100
> calculators. Diodes populated on a PC boad. At least there
> wasn't any problems reading the bits.

Ah, fond memories! Before (HP) computers, I started with the HP 9100A
and later B. It had the gigantic memory of 192 program steps
(instructions). If you wanted to save one variable (outside the few
registers), it cost you 16 program steps, so you saved multiple
variables as one, but then it cost you program steps to combine/split
the variables. In those days I frequently spent one day or more to (try
to) save one program step. At some 15,000 (of those days) dollars, it was
well worth it.