DA Morgan wrote:
> Ian Michael Gumby wrote:
>
>> As I stated in an earlier post, analysts do want to know the breakdown
>> by product. With respect to Oracle, they only have one database
>> product line.
>
> This is not true and likely will lead to questions about revenue at
> Oracle at some point in the future. Currently Oracle has:
>
> Oracle Database
> http://www.oracle.com/technology/pro...10g/index.html
>
> Rdb
> http://www.oracle.com/technology/pro...rdb/index.html
>
> TimesTen
> http://www.oracle.com/technology/pro...ten/index.html
>
> Berkeley DB
> http://www.oracle.com/technology/pro...-db/index.html
>
> of which I am aware ... and perhaps more of which I am not.
Very good. let's see if Safra breaks out new license revenue for each of
these today. If she does then, and only then do I see how Oracle can
take a moral high road against IBM not breaking out IDS revenues.

Cheers
Serge


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Serge Rielau wrote:
> DA Morgan wrote:
>> Ian Michael Gumby wrote:
>>
>>> As I stated in an earlier post, analysts do want to know the
>>> breakdown by product. With respect to Oracle, they only have one
>>> database product line.
>>
>> This is not true and likely will lead to questions about revenue at
>> Oracle at some point in the future. Currently Oracle has:
>>
>> Oracle Database
>> http://www.oracle.com/technology/pro...10g/index.html
>>
>> Rdb
>> http://www.oracle.com/technology/pro...rdb/index.html
>>
>> TimesTen
>> http://www.oracle.com/technology/pro...ten/index.html
>>
>> Berkeley DB
>> http://www.oracle.com/technology/pro...-db/index.html
>>
>> of which I am aware ... and perhaps more of which I am not.
> Very good. let's see if Safra breaks out new license revenue for each of
> these today. If she does then, and only then do I see how Oracle can
> take a moral high road against IBM not breaking out IDS revenues.
>
> Cheers
> Serge

Are you saying that the moral imperative at IBM is "we don't do it
until Safra does it first?"
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DA Morgan wrote:
> Are you saying that the moral imperative at IBM is "we don't do it
> until Safra does it first?"
I live by the rule that before I ask others to do something I make sure
I do it myself.
I am not asking Oracle to break out their revenues. But Mark appears to
be rather interested.
So Yes. To get his wish Oracle has to go first. :-)

Cheers
Serge

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DA Morgan said:
> Are you saying that the moral imperative at IBM is "we don't do it
> until Safra does it first?"

I guess if the norm in the industry was to break out the numbers, IBM
would do it too. Since it's evidently not, and since the only people who
score from it are the competition, I can only assume you're doing your
usual lame-arsed job of trolling.

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Serge Rielau wrote:
> DA Morgan wrote:
>> Are you saying that the moral imperative at IBM is "we don't do it
>> until Safra does it first?"
> I live by the rule that before I ask others to do something I make sure
> I do it myself.
> I am not asking Oracle to break out their revenues. But Mark appears to
> be rather interested.
> So Yes. To get his wish Oracle has to go first. :-)
>
> Cheers
> Serge

Do you have the power and authority to deliver on behalf of IBM? ;-)
Likely as much as Mark does at Oracle methinks.
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Obnoxio The Clown wrote:

> I can only assume you're doing your usual lame-arsed job of trolling.

I don't post here unless invited in. Writing, as someone did, that
PL/SQL is clumsy or clunky or whatever was an invitation for someone
to respond.

Had the comment included a code example I'd have either not commented
or, more likely, agreed with the OP. But just bashing a product as a
feel good exercise is an invitation with embroidery.

And, just to throw a bit of petrol on the fire, I've yet to see anyone
post an Informix equivalent to what I wrote. Although, come to think
of it ... I can't remember when I've ever seen anyone in this group
post code. Can anyone here write some or do you just use this forum
to whine about Oracle and IBM? <g>

Ok that was unkind ... I apologize. I'll slink off into the darkness
of my grotto now. No presents from Santa at my house.

Regards.
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DA Morgan said:
> Obnoxio The Clown wrote:
>
>> I can only assume you're doing your usual lame-arsed job of trolling.
>
> I don't post here unless invited in. Writing, as someone did, that
> PL/SQL is clumsy or clunky or whatever was an invitation for someone
> to respond.

If that's what you consider an invitation, here's another one: fuck off.

> Had the comment included a code example I'd have either not commented
> or, more likely, agreed with the OP. But just bashing a product as a
> feel good exercise is an invitation with embroidery.

If you say so, Daniel. I think the truth is more like, "Oh, they said the
word Oracle, let me go troll some more."

> And, just to throw a bit of petrol on the fire, I've yet to see anyone
> post an Informix equivalent to what I wrote. Although, come to think
> of it ... I can't remember when I've ever seen anyone in this group
> post code. Can anyone here write some or do you just use this forum
> to whine about Oracle and IBM? <g>

We whine about Oracle because it pisses you off. Personally, I couldn't be
arsed to a) downgrade to a T43; b) get your exact spec of tin and c)
download IDS to try to find an equivalent piece of code to try and make
you feel useful.

I have better things to do with my day than perform like a trained seal
for Oracle's favourite troll.

> Ok that was unkind ... I apologize. I'll slink off into the darkness
> of my grotto now. No presents from Santa at my house.

Don't apologise. I, for one, don't need your apology. But if you were to
fuck off and die, that would be nice.

I hope your yacht springs a leak for Christmas.

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So.... what were you _really_ trying to say?

*<8o)

Obnoxio The Clown wrote:
> DA Morgan said:
>> Obnoxio The Clown wrote:
>>
>>> I can only assume you're doing your usual lame-arsed job of trolling.
>> I don't post here unless invited in. Writing, as someone did, that
>> PL/SQL is clumsy or clunky or whatever was an invitation for someone
>> to respond.
>
> If that's what you consider an invitation, here's another one: fuck off.
>
>> Had the comment included a code example I'd have either not commented
>> or, more likely, agreed with the OP. But just bashing a product as a
>> feel good exercise is an invitation with embroidery.
>
> If you say so, Daniel. I think the truth is more like, "Oh, they said the
> word Oracle, let me go troll some more."
>
>> And, just to throw a bit of petrol on the fire, I've yet to see anyone
>> post an Informix equivalent to what I wrote. Although, come to think
>> of it ... I can't remember when I've ever seen anyone in this group
>> post code. Can anyone here write some or do you just use this forum
>> to whine about Oracle and IBM? <g>
>
> We whine about Oracle because it pisses you off. Personally, I couldn't be
> arsed to a) downgrade to a T43; b) get your exact spec of tin and c)
> download IDS to try to find an equivalent piece of code to try and make
> you feel useful.
>
> I have better things to do with my day than perform like a trained seal
> for Oracle's favourite troll.
>
>> Ok that was unkind ... I apologize. I'll slink off into the darkness
>> of my grotto now. No presents from Santa at my house.
>
> Don't apologise. I, for one, don't need your apology. But if you were to
> fuck off and die, that would be nice.
>
> I hope your yacht springs a leak for Christmas.
>

Double Echo wrote:
> So.... what were you _really_ trying to say?
>
> *<8o)

I think that's he's insecure about something and has a lousy sense
of humor. <g>

Regards until next we again meet on the field of play Obnoxio.



> Obnoxio The Clown wrote:
>> DA Morgan said:
>>> Obnoxio The Clown wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can only assume you're doing your usual lame-arsed job of trolling.
>>> I don't post here unless invited in. Writing, as someone did, that
>>> PL/SQL is clumsy or clunky or whatever was an invitation for someone
>>> to respond.
>>
>> If that's what you consider an invitation, here's another one: fuck off.
>>
>>> Had the comment included a code example I'd have either not commented
>>> or, more likely, agreed with the OP. But just bashing a product as a
>>> feel good exercise is an invitation with embroidery.
>>
>> If you say so, Daniel. I think the truth is more like, "Oh, they said the
>> word Oracle, let me go troll some more."
>>
>>> And, just to throw a bit of petrol on the fire, I've yet to see anyone
>>> post an Informix equivalent to what I wrote. Although, come to think
>>> of it ... I can't remember when I've ever seen anyone in this group
>>> post code. Can anyone here write some or do you just use this forum
>>> to whine about Oracle and IBM? <g>
>>
>> We whine about Oracle because it pisses you off. Personally, I
>> couldn't be
>> arsed to a) downgrade to a T43; b) get your exact spec of tin and c)
>> download IDS to try to find an equivalent piece of code to try and make
>> you feel useful.
>>
>> I have better things to do with my day than perform like a trained seal
>> for Oracle's favourite troll.
>>
>>> Ok that was unkind ... I apologize. I'll slink off into the darkness
>>> of my grotto now. No presents from Santa at my house.
>>
>> Don't apologise. I, for one, don't need your apology. But if you were to
>> fuck off and die, that would be nice.
>>
>> I hope your yacht springs a leak for Christmas.
>>
>


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Serge Rielau wrote:
> DA Morgan wrote:
>> Are you saying that the moral imperative at IBM is "we don't do it
>> until Safra does it first?"
> I live by the rule that before I ask others to do something I make sure
> I do it myself.
> I am not asking Oracle to break out their revenues. But Mark appears to
> be rather interested.
> So Yes. To get his wish Oracle has to go first. :-)
>
> Cheers
> Serge
>

I'm not sure I am following this anymore - what revenue numbers do we
need to break out and why ?