I am trying to load linux on a second hard drive on my hp pc (pavilion
734n). it loads fine. i follow the installation instructions to
install grub and after everything has installed i can reboot into
linux, but when i boot into windows xp the demonic hp pc recovery
system takes over and wipes out grub from the mbr (hda1). how can i
get these two systems to co-operate peacefully?

it seems that the usual advice is to wipe out windows (something i
don't want to do). install redhat/fedora, then re-install windows from
recovery cds. i saw another method that involves copying the linux
image onto the c: drive and then editing boot.ini... it seems error
prone and not likely to get around the recovery system.

what i'd like is to just turn the stupid recovery system off before i
install linux and then install linux and be able to boot from each OS.
afterwards i'd like to restore the recovery system so that it won't
think having another OS on the machine requires a recovery.

any advice would be greatly appreciated...

* Wrote in alt.os.linux:

> I am trying to load linux on a second hard drive on my hp pc
> (pavilion 734n). it loads fine. i follow the installation
> instructions to install grub and after everything has installed i
> can reboot into linux, but when i boot into windows xp the demonic
> hp pc recovery system takes over and wipes out grub from the mbr
> (hda1). how can i get these two systems to co-operate peacefully?
>
> it seems that the usual advice is to wipe out windows (something i
> don't want to do). install redhat/fedora, then re-install windows
> from recovery cds. i saw another method that involves copying the
> linux image onto the c: drive and then editing boot.ini... it
> seems error prone and not likely to get around the recovery
> system.
>
> what i'd like is to just turn the stupid recovery system off
> before i install linux and then install linux and be able to boot
> from each OS. afterwards i'd like to restore the recovery system
> so that it won't think having another OS on the machine requires a
> recovery.
>
> any advice would be greatly appreciated...
>
>

Does the machine have a floppy? Use it to boot instead.

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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:38:48 -0700, joelvsmith wrote:

> I am trying to load linux on a second hard drive on my hp pc (pavilion
> 734n). it loads fine. i follow the installation instructions to
> install grub and after everything has installed i can reboot into
> linux, but when i boot into windows xp the demonic hp pc recovery
> system takes over and wipes out grub from the mbr (hda1). how can i
> get these two systems to co-operate peacefully?
>
> it seems that the usual advice is to wipe out windows (something i
> don't want to do). install redhat/fedora, then re-install windows from
> recovery cds. i saw another method that involves copying the linux
> image onto the c: drive and then editing boot.ini... it seems error
> prone and not likely to get around the recovery system.
>
> what i'd like is to just turn the stupid recovery system off before i
> install linux and then install linux and be able to boot from each OS.
> afterwards i'd like to restore the recovery system so that it won't
> think having another OS on the machine requires a recovery.
>
> any advice would be greatly appreciated...
>
CAVEAT: I am not using Windows XP and I do not have a Pavilion 734n.

The usual advice I have seen says to setup Windows first, followed by
installing gnu/linux. This is the order which you used, so you should
be fine. The idea is to let grub have the final say about the MBR
because it is capable of loading various operating systems, including
Windows. Grub's configuration file should have a stanza for windows
similar to this:

Windows
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
makeactive
chainloader +1


The "recovery system" you are describing is something I haven't used,
either. Yes, turn it off if you can.

joelvsmith@earthlink.net wrote:

> I am trying to load linux on a second hard drive on my hp pc (pavilion
> 734n). it loads fine. i follow the installation instructions to
> install grub and after everything has installed i can reboot into
> linux, but when i boot into windows xp the demonic hp pc recovery
> system takes over and wipes out grub from the mbr (hda1). how can i
> get these two systems to co-operate peacefully?
>
> it seems that the usual advice is to wipe out windows (something i
> don't want to do). install redhat/fedora, then re-install windows from
> recovery cds. i saw another method that involves copying the linux
> image onto the c: drive and then editing boot.ini... it seems error
> prone and not likely to get around the recovery system.
>
> what i'd like is to just turn the stupid recovery system off before i
> install linux and then install linux and be able to boot from each OS.
> afterwards i'd like to restore the recovery system so that it won't
> think having another OS on the machine requires a recovery.
>
> any advice would be greatly appreciated...

Post your grub.conf or menu.lst file so we can better guess...

joelvsmith@earthlink.net wrote:

> I am trying to load linux on a second hard drive on my hp pc (pavilion
> 734n). it loads fine. i follow the installation instructions to
> install grub and after everything has installed i can reboot into
> linux, but when i boot into windows xp the demonic hp pc recovery
> system takes over and wipes out grub from the mbr (hda1). how can i
> get these two systems to co-operate peacefully?

As one other poster suggested, post your grub.conf. I'm running dual boot
on an hp a810n with xp home & xandros 3.01 deluxe. Xandros uses lilo,
which installation sets up with 4 entries on my box: xandros, xandros safe
mode, xp, & xp recovery. It can be a little interesting, because the
latter two are named "Windows XP" & "Windows". Anyway, it almost sounds
like your installation may have detected the recovery system, but not
normal xp.

Bill K

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joelvsmith@earthlink.net wrote in
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> I am trying to load linux on a second hard drive on my hp pc
(pavilion
> 734n). it loads fine. i follow the installation instructions to
> install grub and after everything has installed i can reboot into
> linux, but when i boot into windows xp the demonic hp pc recovery
> system takes over and wipes out grub from the mbr (hda1). how can i
> get these two systems to co-operate peacefully?
>
Buy another hdd?

Try turning off "System Restore" in XP and then reinstall grub?

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joelvsmith@earthlink.net wrote in
<1121315928.124537.284900@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>:

> I am trying to load linux on a second hard drive on my hp pc
(pavilion
> 734n). it loads fine. i follow the installation instructions to
> install grub and after everything has installed i can reboot into
> linux, but when i boot into windows xp the demonic hp pc recovery
> system takes over and wipes out grub from the mbr (hda1). how can i
> get these two systems to co-operate peacefully?
>
Buy another hdd?

Try turning off "System Restore" in XP and then reinstall grub?

ÐÿñôMü++ wrote:
> joelvsmith@earthlink.net wrote in
> <1121315928.124537.284900@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>:
>
>
>>I am trying to load linux on a second hard drive on my hp pc
>
> (pavilion
>
>>734n). it loads fine. i follow the installation instructions to
>>install grub and after everything has installed i can reboot into
>>linux, but when i boot into windows xp the demonic hp pc recovery
>>system takes over and wipes out grub from the mbr (hda1). how can i
>>get these two systems to co-operate peacefully?
>>
>
> Buy another hdd?
>
> Try turning off "System Restore" in XP and then reinstall grub?
>
>

I don't think System Restore would have any effect, IMO.

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Lucas Raab <dotpyFE@gmail.com> wrote in
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>ÐÿñôMü++ wrote:
>> joelvsmith@earthlink.net wrote in
>> <1121315928.124537.284900@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>:
>>
>>
>>>I am trying to load linux on a second hard drive on my hp pc
>>
>> (pavilion
>>
>>>734n). it loads fine. i follow the installation instructions to
>>>install grub and after everything has installed i can reboot into
>>>linux, but when i boot into windows xp the demonic hp pc recovery
>>>system takes over and wipes out grub from the mbr (hda1). how can i
>>>get these two systems to co-operate peacefully?
>>>
>>
>> Buy another hdd?
>>
>> Try turning off "System Restore" in XP and then reinstall grub?
>>
>>
>
>I don't think System Restore would have any effect, IMO.
>
The answer be here matey!
http://www.tek-tips.com/viewthread.c...1076652&page=7

Apparently HP uses a hidden FAT 16 partition to store some recovery
info.
*This* is why I dont buy ready-made computers.
Unless they're Macs. You have less control as to what you can do.
And now if you buy a mobo made after 2004 you cant even turn off the
CPU "unique identifyer chip" in the BIOS.
So stock up on mobo's made pre-04 I guess.

On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:53:39 +0000, ÐÿñôMü++ wrote:

> Apparently HP uses a hidden FAT 16 partition to store some recovery
> info.

Old Compaqs have something like that on them too.

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