On 7 Oct 2003, J. L. Schilling wrote:

> FyRE <FyRE@toktik.demon.ku.oc.x> wrote in message news:<oit3ovgvofuag0ft0u88oaedkjtbva5bvc@4ax.com>. ..
> > [...] You don't honestly think SCO are
> > actually developing anything anymore, do you? Come along, they
> > couldn't even be bothered to come up with any interesting promises at
> > their last conference; the most interesting "announcement" was their
> > intention to bundle Samba 3.x with their outdated OS. [...]
>
> Sigh. I already debunked this ridiculous claim in a previous thread,
> complete with URLs to presentations made at the conference.
>

According to someone at the "city-to-city" tour, SCO is adding such
groundbreaking features as PAM, NFS-over-tcp, NTPv4, >2GB files.

I wonder when such features will be added to Linux or Solaris... oh
wait....

Care to mention some specific features that SCO is adding that aren't just
catch-up with other OS-es or a port of some open source tool?

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 00:29:42 +0100, FyRE <FyRE@toktik.demon.ku.oc.x>
wrote:

>Since a plaintive has an OBLIGATION to mitigate damages by trying to
>prevent violations of (in this case) copyrighted/patented work, and
>SCO have so far refused to do this;

I researched this issue. There's no legal obligation on the part of
the plaintiff to do anything. However, in order to obtain damages in
their favor, the plaintiff is expected to make some effort to protect
their interests. It's quite possible for the court to rule in favor
of SCO, but to assess zero damages based upon SCO being somewhat
contributory. If there is any disclosure required by the court as
part of the discovery process, it will be so ordered.

>while the execs dump stock like there's no tomorrow, I'm thinking any
>judge will take a dim view of this bunch of utter scum.

Umm... we've been here before. Don't you read my replies? See:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/it?s=SCOX
I don't see much any massive insider trading. I do see directors
exercising options and then selling some stock to cover the cost of
the stock. That's fairly common practice. The closest approximation
to dumping is one individual, Michael P. Olsen, who owns 48,000 shares
and is apparently systematically unloading them. Michael Wilson seems
to have unloaded all his shares.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ir?s=scox
Meanwhile, the institutional investors have far more stock and are
buying to the tune of 2 million shares this last quarter, not dumping.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=SCOX
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/it?s=SCOX

Where is your evidence of "execs dump(ing) stock"?


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Brian K. White wrote:
> Brian <brian@stanley-park.com> wrote...
>> Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote:
>> > Just goes to show we do not know how the lawyers and judges
>> > are going to rule on this issue.

>> You are a real piece of work Boyd-Brain.

>> I know exactly how the SCO vs The World is going to work just like
>> I knew how the SCO contract dispute was going to turn out - the
>> distributer contract clearly stated 30 days notice.

> Ugh.

> I wish you would more fully express your ignorance/attitude/youth/etc
> ... by also being one of those people that hides behind an anonymous
> handle.

I am not ignorant, I DO have some attitude - it comes from 30 years
experience in international marketing of technology products, my youth is in
the too distant past and as for "etc", I am sure you will think of
something to add.

> I dislike seeing what looks like my name on posts of such flatulous
> texture.

Ouch! That hurt.

> What kind of a person gets his kicks hanging out in a forum on a
> given topic, only to express derision for that topic?

How about a person that is enraged by the blatant smearing of an amazing
technological business model by a paid sycophant with aspirations of
damaging headlines?

You appear to not like what I have to say - that is too bad!

> Aren't there plenty of l33t h@x0r groups where bashing sco or
> bashing anything but linux is actually welcome and appreciated?

Ah.. Playing the Linux hacker card a little early aren't you?

Since I work and support Linux I must be some renegade DDoSing, code
stealing, virus writing, living in my momn's basement hacker degenerate.

Let me tell you something; there is nothing that SCO has in the way of code
that anyone in the Open Source community would want! It's dead - it just
hasn't fallen over yet.

> What, you don't have the stones to think up good enough digs
> to run in that crowd?

What?

> Surely you cannot think you are telling anyone here anything they
> don't already know? Which leaves only the tiresome motives of the
> typical troll as the only likely explanation for why you are here.

Am I interrupting any legitimate SCO newsgroup threads? Am I posting on
threads where people are looking for help?

No!

But guess what, I reserve the right to post here on ANY subject that
discusses the legitimacy of SCO and their lying directors.

> Who do you imagine that hangs in this group that doesn't know the
> exact nature of a troll and the exact worth of a troll's opinion?

What is your point?

> I'm actually not telling you to go away. I'm challenging you to
> explain yourself and justify your existence.

You first.

> I say you are pointless. Do you feel pointless? Do you accept being
> perceived as pointless? Do you actually think you are adding to the
> world? Is that even a value you aspire to? I can work up at least
> some respect for someone who honestly thinks they are doing
> something productive no matter how misguided and backwards their
> actual actions are.

Wow, I have to guess you have some real self-worth issues there Brian W. - I
hope you get some help with that.

Best regards,

Brian
Linux Registered User #61537

Whoever <nobody@devnull.none> wrote in message news:<Pine.LNX.4.44.0310072004130.7680-100000@c941211-a>...
> On 7 Oct 2003, J. L. Schilling wrote:
>
> > FyRE <FyRE@toktik.demon.ku.oc.x> wrote in message news:<oit3ovgvofuag0ft0u88oaedkjtbva5bvc@4ax.com>. ..
> > > [...] You don't honestly think SCO are
> > > actually developing anything anymore, do you? Come along, they
> > > couldn't even be bothered to come up with any interesting promises at
> > > their last conference; the most interesting "announcement" was their
> > > intention to bundle Samba 3.x with their outdated OS. [...]
> >
> > Sigh. I already debunked this ridiculous claim in a previous thread,
> > complete with URLs to presentations made at the conference.
> >
>
> According to someone at the "city-to-city" tour, SCO is adding such
> groundbreaking features as PAM, NFS-over-tcp, NTPv4, >2GB files.
>
> I wonder when such features will be added to Linux or Solaris... oh
> wait....
>
> Care to mention some specific features that SCO is adding that aren't just
> catch-up with other OS-es or a port of some open source tool?

So, SCO gets criticized both for having an "outdated OS" *and* for
working on implementating features that will bring it up-to-date?
"FyRE" and "Whoever", you make a great (masked) tag team!

If you want to see some leading-edge stuff that SCO is working on,
look at the SCOx presentations at http://www.sco.com/2003forum/ppt.html.

Jonathan Schilling

J. L. Schilling <jlselsewhere@my-deja.com> wrote:
> If you want to see some leading-edge stuff that SCO is working on,
> look at the SCOx presentations at http://www.sco.com/2003forum/ppt.html.

Such as "How to Use the GNU Toolkits and UDK on SCO UNIX Platforms"?

--
Geoff Lane
Good programs don't just happen.

On 8 Oct 2003, J. L. Schilling wrote:

> Whoever <nobody@devnull.none> wrote in message news:<Pine.LNX.4.44.0310072004130.7680-100000@c941211-a>...
> > On 7 Oct 2003, J. L. Schilling wrote:
> >
> > > FyRE <FyRE@toktik.demon.ku.oc.x> wrote in message news:<oit3ovgvofuag0ft0u88oaedkjtbva5bvc@4ax.com>. ..
> > > > [...] You don't honestly think SCO are
> > > > actually developing anything anymore, do you? Come along, they
> > > > couldn't even be bothered to come up with any interesting promises at
> > > > their last conference; the most interesting "announcement" was their
> > > > intention to bundle Samba 3.x with their outdated OS. [...]
> > >
> > > Sigh. I already debunked this ridiculous claim in a previous thread,
> > > complete with URLs to presentations made at the conference.
> > >
> >
> > According to someone at the "city-to-city" tour, SCO is adding such
> > groundbreaking features as PAM, NFS-over-tcp, NTPv4, >2GB files.
> >
> > I wonder when such features will be added to Linux or Solaris... oh
> > wait....
> >
> > Care to mention some specific features that SCO is adding that aren't just
> > catch-up with other OS-es or a port of some open source tool?
>
> So, SCO gets criticized both for having an "outdated OS" *and* for
> working on implementating features that will bring it up-to-date?
> "FyRE" and "Whoever", you make a great (masked) tag team!
>
> If you want to see some leading-edge stuff that SCO is working on,
> look at the SCOx presentations at http://www.sco.com/2003forum/ppt.html.
>

I looked at it. Firstly "optimised for Internet Explorer"? I thought SCO
was a UNIX company!

Secondly, I could not find any groundbreaking items. As I said above:
"Care to mention some SPECIFIC features ..."

>

On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:33:02 +0000 (UTC), tony@aplawrence.com wrote:

>FyRE <FyRE@toktik.demon.ku.oc.x> wrote:
>>Please tell me you're not serious!!? You don't honestly think SCO are
>>actually developing anything anymore, do you? Come along, they
>
>Yes, they are. I know that because I just spoke with one of their
>developers last week. He called me to ask my opinion on some
>features he is working on.
>
>Maybe he should have called you.. :-)

He did; however I decided not to sign the NDA...

--
FyRE < "War: The way Americans learn geography" >

On 7 Oct 2003 08:49:37 -0700, jlselsewhere@my-deja.com (J. L.
Schilling) wrote:

>FyRE <FyRE@toktik.demon.ku.oc.x> wrote in message news:<oit3ovgvofuag0ft0u88oaedkjtbva5bvc@4ax.com>. ..
>> [...] You don't honestly think SCO are
>> actually developing anything anymore, do you? Come along, they
>> couldn't even be bothered to come up with any interesting promises at
>> their last conference; the most interesting "announcement" was their
>> intention to bundle Samba 3.x with their outdated OS. [...]
>
>Sigh. I already debunked this ridiculous claim in a previous thread,
>complete with URLs to presentations made at the conference.

Schilling, you're starting to sound as bad as McBride. A few terse
sentences with no facts, figures or code to back them up hardly
qualifies as evidence to debunk my claims. The biggest "features"
apart from including yet more GPL code (which they claim is killing
the software industry, BTW) are components that have been included in
Linux software for a fair few years now. PAM?! Come on!

>"FyRE" and his ilk belong on one of those political discussion
>web sites where people make the same heated arguments over and over,
>ranting and frothing more each time around, never once modifying
>their arguments to acknowledge facts that don't fit their theory
>or model. Come on "FyRE", you can do better!

One thing I will concede is that the SCO resellers must have skin as
thick as rhinos. They are the "seal clubbers" of the software world -
despised by the entire open source community, shunned by customers and
ignored (or shafted) by the supplier (SCO). Yet still they plod along,
peddling this inferior, badly outdated, and overpriced ancient version
of UNIX to anyone clueless enough to keep buying it. Actually this
must go for the tiny team of remaining "developers" working on new
features (if anyone believes Bela the only SCO developer I've ever
seen here or anywhere, maybe he's the only one left?)

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FyRE < "War: The way Americans learn geography" >

On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:05:45 +0100, FyRE <FyRE@toktik.demon.ku.oc.x>
wrote:

>Actually this
>must go for the tiny team of remaining "developers" working on new
>features (if anyone believes Bela the only SCO developer I've ever
>seen here or anywhere, maybe he's the only one left?)

See: news:comp.unix.sco.programmer for where you will find
additional developers.


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On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 23:44:33 GMT,
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote:

>On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:05:45 +0100, FyRE <FyRE@toktik.demon.ku.oc.x>
>wrote:
>
>>Actually this
>>must go for the tiny team of remaining "developers" working on new
>>features (if anyone believes Bela the only SCO developer I've ever
>>seen here or anywhere, maybe he's the only one left?)
>
>See: news:comp.unix.sco.programmer for where you will find
>additional developers.

Actually, looking on the past two week's postings on that group does not
show anyone other than Bela (and perhaps J. L. Schilling) who is
conclusively, or even likely to be an SCO employee.

>
>