The latest episode in SCO's ongoing battle to prove itself the most
vile, greedy, disgusting company on Earth is enough to shock even the
most ardent Darl McBride fanboyd. Witness their shameful treament of a
loyal reseller reported today at TheRegister
(http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/51/33244.html).

Other resellers might reflect on the wisdom of selling the products of
this scumbag outfit that can and will ruin a reseller at a whim...


Begin article:---


SCO has won a court case against its Dutch distributor Dupaco. And
it's got nothing to do with Linux.

SCO, the company now best-known for its crusade against IBM and other
companies over Linux patent issues, recently terminated its 18 year
relationship with Dupaco, preferring a European franchise model.

Dupaco became a distributor of SCO Xenix as early as 1986. CEO and
co-founder Erik Monninkhof told LinuxWorld recently that he attended
every SCO Forum since then, and has turned down offers from other
vendors to sell their UNIX distributions in addition to the SCO line.
Dupaco has built a multi-million dollar revenue stream out of the SCO
offerings.

Naturally, Monninkhof wasn’t pleased when SCO informed him that in 30
days the distribution contract would be terminated and that he could
only remain as a zero-margin reseller. Country managers in Europe are
offered exclusive franchise arrangements.

Monninkhof tried to reason with SCO, but didn’t succeed. At first SCO
agreed to talk, so Monninkhof flew to SCO's headquarters in Utah, but
learned that there was no-one to meet him and that visitors were not
allowed in the building. Security then escorted Monninkhof off the
premises. He was also given a letter indicating that his company was
no longer welcome at SCO Forum.

A judge in Breda today ruled that the contract Dupaco had with SCO
specified a lawful 30 day notice for termination. Monnikhof had hoped
that the length and nature of the business relationship would be taken
into consideration. Dupaco wanted €200,000 in damages.

Despite the setback, Dupaco is not in trouble: SCO accounts only
around five per cent of total revenue. Elbert Vlastuin will now be
SCO’s Regional Manager for the Benelux. ®


End article:---

Nice to see McBride and his mob have run out of other companies to
offend, so they're now canibalising their own (misguided) supporters.
One wonders how long it will be before SCO begin threatening their own
customers with "kneecappings" and "concrete overcoats" if they don't
stump up protection money...

--
FyRE < "War: The way Americans learn geography" >

On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, FyRE wrote:

> The latest episode in SCO's ongoing battle to prove itself the most
> vile, greedy, disgusting company on Earth is enough to shock even the
> most ardent Darl McBride fanboyd. Witness their shameful treament of a

I am definitely not A Darl McBride/SCO managment fan. I am a fan of the
hardworking engineers still working at SCO. I do support them and hope
that the managment words of new features and stuff are not just lipe
service.

> loyal reseller reported today at TheRegister
> (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/51/33244.html).
>
> Other resellers might reflect on the wisdom of selling the products of
> this scumbag outfit that can and will ruin a reseller at a whim...
>
> Begin article:---
>
>
> SCO has won a court case against its Dutch distributor Dupaco. And
> it's got nothing to do with Linux.
>
> SCO, the company now best-known for its crusade against IBM and other
> companies over Linux patent issues, recently terminated its 18 year
> relationship with Dupaco, preferring a European franchise model.
>
> Dupaco became a distributor of SCO Xenix as early as 1986. CEO and
> co-founder Erik Monninkhof told LinuxWorld recently that he attended
> every SCO Forum since then, and has turned down offers from other
> vendors to sell their UNIX distributions in addition to the SCO line.
> Dupaco has built a multi-million dollar revenue stream out of the SCO
> offerings.
>
> Naturally, Monninkhof wasn’t pleased when SCO informed him that in 30
> days the distribution contract would be terminated and that he could
> only remain as a zero-margin reseller. Country managers in Europe are
> offered exclusive franchise arrangements.
>
> Monninkhof tried to reason with SCO, but didn’t succeed. At first SCO
> agreed to talk, so Monninkhof flew to SCO's headquarters in Utah, but
> learned that there was no-one to meet him and that visitors were not
> allowed in the building. Security then escorted Monninkhof off the
> premises. He was also given a letter indicating that his company was
> no longer welcome at SCO Forum.
>
> A judge in Breda today ruled that the contract Dupaco had with SCO
> specified a lawful 30 day notice for termination. Monnikhof had hoped
> that the length and nature of the business relationship would be taken
> into consideration. Dupaco wanted €200,000 in damages.
>
> Despite the setback, Dupaco is not in trouble: SCO accounts only
> around five per cent of total revenue. Elbert Vlastuin will now be
> SCO’s Regional Manager for the Benelux. ®
>
>
> End article:---
>
> Nice to see McBride and his mob have run out of other companies to
> offend, so they're now canibalising their own (misguided) supporters.
> One wonders how long it will be before SCO begin threatening their own
> customers with "kneecappings" and "concrete overcoats" if they don't
> stump up protection money...


I was really hoping SCO would loose this one. I hate the way they treated
this company. I have been watching it closely and so have my clients. I
was really hoping that they would prevail against SCO on this.

Just goes to show we do not know how the lawyers and judges are going to
rule on this issue. Which was the point I was trying to make. I hope
that this all gets cleared up soon, but probably will not.


--
Boyd Gerber <gerberb@zenez.com>
ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047

On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:12:02 -0600, Boyd Lynn Gerber
<gerberb@zenez.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, FyRE wrote:
>
>> The latest episode in SCO's ongoing battle to prove itself the most
>> vile, greedy, disgusting company on Earth is enough to shock even the
>> most ardent Darl McBride fanboyd. Witness their shameful treament of a
>
>I am definitely not A Darl McBride/SCO managment fan. I am a fan of the
>hardworking engineers still working at SCO.

I'm sure they'll both be pleased to hear that. It can't be easy for
them working for a bunch of utter scumbags. Personally, I'd like to
think I have more self respect than to work for such an outfit, no
matter what they paid me (if nothing else, I'd want to work somewhere
with better future prospects!)

>I do support them and hope
>that the managment words of new features and stuff are not just lipe
>service.

Please tell me you're not serious!!? You don't honestly think SCO are
actually developing anything anymore, do you? Come along, they
couldn't even be bothered to come up with any interesting promises at
their last conference; the most interesting "announcement" was their
intention to bundle Samba 3.x with their outdated OS. This itself is
dispicable, since they're claiming the GPL is destroying the software
market, and Samba is distributed as GPL'd software. The Samba team
themselves have added a statement about this hypocrisy on the front
page of their site, detailing their utter disgust that a company such
as SCO are using their work. I just hope the next version of Samba is
distributed deliberately broken for SCO platforms (this goes for all
GPL'd code, including gcc etc).

[...]

>> Nice to see McBride and his mob have run out of other companies to
>> offend, so they're now canibalising their own (misguided) supporters.
>> One wonders how long it will be before SCO begin threatening their own
>> customers with "kneecappings" and "concrete overcoats" if they don't
>> stump up protection money...
>
>I was really hoping SCO would loose this one. I hate the way they treated
>this company. I have been watching it closely and so have my clients. I
>was really hoping that they would prevail against SCO on this.

Well, I think most people would, however SCO is a company of lawyers,
and so the little guy didn't have much chance really. At least it's a
good warning sign for other resellers...

>Just goes to show we do not know how the lawyers and judges are going to
>rule on this issue.

Since a plaintive has an OBLIGATION to mitigate damages by trying to
prevent violations of (in this case) copyrighted/patented work, and
SCO have so far refused to do this; as well as providing no evidence
of violations, holding media audiences and spouting outright lies
while the execs dump stock like there's no tomorrow, I'm thinking any
judge will take a dim view of this bunch of utter scum. McBride's only
interest is in pumping the stock price until he can jump ship with his
golden handshake and nice bonus in his back pocket. There can be no
other reason, since by their actions, SCO obviously have no interest
in customers. Anyone buying SCO today would be a complete idiot. And
anyone selling SCO is a fraudster (how else could you sell it???).

Yesterday, SGI, who licence SYSV code released a statement about their
own findings when comparing Linux kernel code to SYSV. Apparently any
similarities are "trivial" (by this we assume comments, and generic
pieces of code). The code SCO accuse SGI of adding to linux, and
violating their contract was apparently released into the public
domain some considerable time back.

>Which was the point I was trying to make. I hope
>that this all gets cleared up soon, but probably will not.

Oh, I'm sure SCO will get cleared up. Just as soon as someone comes
along with a big enough hose to wash this human waste back down into
the sewers where they belong.

--
FyRE < "War: The way Americans learn geography" >

FyRE wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:12:02 -0600, Boyd Lynn Gerber
> <gerberb@zenez.com> wrote:
>
>
>>On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, FyRE wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The latest episode in SCO's ongoing battle to prove itself the most
>>>vile, greedy, disgusting company on Earth is enough to shock even the
>>>most ardent Darl McBride fanboyd. Witness their shameful treament of a
>>
>>I am definitely not A Darl McBride/SCO managment fan. I am a fan of the
>>hardworking engineers still working at SCO.
>
>
> I'm sure they'll both be pleased to hear that. It can't be easy for
> them working for a bunch of utter scumbags. Personally, I'd like to
> think I have more self respect than to work for such an outfit, no
> matter what they paid me (if nothing else, I'd want to work somewhere
> with better future prospects!)

That was exactly two to many rants from you FyRe - i'm a linux advocate,
opensource contributer, and am helping my company steer away from SCO
(btw. not because of the lawsuit - but because we're severely stunted in
our possibilities on the OpenServer platform).

While i agree with you to some extent - this is simply not a civil way
of getting your point over - _are_ you really so interested in bringing
so much animosity towards your arguments - that you willfully make
people associate your rants with Linux/OpenSource ?

People here have reasons to run SCO, they are probably neither
proponents or opponents in this - they are simply administrators/users
who for some reason or other still run SCO (and in many cases probably
locked into it - or it runs so well doing whatever task it may handle -
that there simply isn't any economic incentive to exchange it with
another OS (prolly as in our case - not even if your most dire wishes
come through and SCO goes bankrupt and will no longer be supported).

I'm not going to add you to my killfilter, because i really want to see
how you are going to react to this.


--
Med Venlig Hilsen / Regards

Kim Petersen - Kyborg A/S (Udvikling)
IT - Innovationshuset
Havneparken 2
7100 Vejle
Tlf. +4576408183 || Fax. +4576408188

Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, FyRE wrote:
> Just goes to show we do not know how the lawyers and judges are
> going to rule on this issue.

You are a real piece of work Boyd-Brain.

I know exactly how the SCO vs The World is going to work just like I knew
how the SCO contract dispute was going to turn out - the distributer
contract clearly stated 30 days notice.

You use your ignorance like a shield to spare you from having to think.

> Which was the point I was trying to make. I hope that
> this all gets cleared up soon, but probably will not.

SCO is going to crash and burn - it's case against IBM is totally without
merit. It's accusations against the Linux community is totally without
merit.

Your continued flacid SCO support is just prolonging the inevitable for your
clients.

Brian

FyRE <FyRE@toktik.demon.ku.oc.x> wrote:
>Please tell me you're not serious!!? You don't honestly think SCO are
>actually developing anything anymore, do you? Come along, they

Yes, they are. I know that because I just spoke with one of their
developers last week. He called me to ask my opinion on some
features he is working on.

Maybe he should have called you.. :-)

--
tony@aplawrence.com Unix/Linux/Mac OS X resources: http://aplawrence.com
Get paid for writing about tech: http://aplawrence.com/publish.html

tony@aplawrence.com wrote:
> FyRE <FyRE@toktik.demon.ku.oc.x> wrote:
>> Please tell me you're not serious!!? You don't honestly think
>> SCO are actually developing anything anymore, do you?

> Yes, they are. I know that because I just spoke with one of
> their developers last week. He called me to ask my opinion on
> some features he is working on.

What features?

Brian

FyRE <FyRE@toktik.demon.ku.oc.x> wrote in message news:<oit3ovgvofuag0ft0u88oaedkjtbva5bvc@4ax.com>. ..
> [...] You don't honestly think SCO are
> actually developing anything anymore, do you? Come along, they
> couldn't even be bothered to come up with any interesting promises at
> their last conference; the most interesting "announcement" was their
> intention to bundle Samba 3.x with their outdated OS. [...]

Sigh. I already debunked this ridiculous claim in a previous thread,
complete with URLs to presentations made at the conference.

"FyRE" and his ilk belong on one of those political discussion
web sites where people make the same heated arguments over and over,
ranting and frothing more each time around, never once modifying
their arguments to acknowledge facts that don't fit their theory
or model. Come on "FyRE", you can do better!

Jonathan Schilling

Brian <brian@stanley-park.com> wrote in message news:<QTrgb.35407$6C4.3699@pd7tw1no>...
> Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote:
> > On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, FyRE wrote:
> > Just goes to show we do not know how the lawyers and judges are
> > going to rule on this issue.
>
> You are a real piece of work Boyd-Brain.
>
> I know exactly how the SCO vs The World is going to work just like I knew
> how the SCO contract dispute was going to turn out - the distributer
> contract clearly stated 30 days notice.
>
> You use your ignorance like a shield to spare you from having to think.
>
> > Which was the point I was trying to make. I hope that
> > this all gets cleared up soon, but probably will not.
>
> SCO is going to crash and burn - it's case against IBM is totally without
> merit. It's accusations against the Linux community is totally without
> merit.
>
> Your continued flacid SCO support is just prolonging the inevitable for your
> clients.
>
> Brian

Ugh.

I wish you would more fully express your
ignorance/attitude/youth/etc... by also being one of those people that
hides behind an anonymous handle.

I dislike seeing what looks like my name on posts of such flatulous
texture.

What kind of a person gets his kicks hanging out in a forum on a given
topic, only to express derision for that topic? Aren't there plenty of
l33t h@x0r groups where bashing sco or bashing anything but linux is
actually welcome and appreciated? What, you don't have the stones to
think up good enough digs to run in that crowd?

Surely you cannot think you are telling anyone here anything they
don't already know? Which leaves only the tiresome motives of the
typical troll as the only likely explanation for why you are here. Who
do you imagine that hangs in this group that doesn't know the exact
nature of a troll and the exact worth of a troll's opinion?

I'm actually not telling you to go away. I'm challenging you to
explain yourself and justify your existence. I say you are pointless.
Do you feel pointless? Do you accept being perceived as pointless? Do
you actually think you are adding to the world? Is that even a value
you aspire to? I can work up at least some respect for someone who
honestly thinks they are doing something productive no matter how
misguided and backwards their actual actions are.

Brian K. White -- brian@aljex.com -- http://www.aljex.com/bkw/
+++++[>+++[>+++++>+++++++<<-]<-]>>+.>.+++++.+++++++.-.[>+<---]>++.
filePro BBx Linux SCO Prosper/FACTS AutoCAD #callahans Satriani

Brian <brian@stanley-park.com> wrote:
>tony@aplawrence.com wrote:
>> FyRE <FyRE@toktik.demon.ku.oc.x> wrote:
>>> Please tell me you're not serious!!? You don't honestly think
>>> SCO are actually developing anything anymore, do you?

>> Yes, they are. I know that because I just spoke with one of
>> their developers last week. He called me to ask my opinion on
>> some features he is working on.

>What features?

Sorry. While I wasn't specifically asked not to discuss it, I wouldn't
feel confortable talking out of school. Nothing particularly interesting,
anyway, quite dull, but just the same..


--
tony@aplawrence.com Unix/Linux/Mac OS X resources: http://aplawrence.com
Get paid for writing about tech: http://aplawrence.com/publish.html