I have a system that uses /usr/lib/sendmail -t to send messages
generated by a program running on a user account. Works fine.

At home I wrote a similar application to send newsletters to my
friends/family and usually it generates an error in the file redirect
the close codes to that says (paraphrase, I fixed it by a hack so I
don't have the exact code available now) that it can not create an entry
in /usr/spool/mqueue, which makes sense as it ie owned by root:mail and
the permissions are 775.

What is perplexing is that sometimes it will send the mail at home
(about 1 time out of 10) and it always sends the mail at the customer
site which has the same permissions afaik.

Openserver 5.0.5

I'd be glad to hear opinions as to how it works at all but I really
would like suggestions on how to have a non-privileged user program send
mail.

for a temporary hack I changed the permissions on /usr/spool/mqueue to
777, but am not comfortable with that.

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In article <vum4jb4gqojm5b@corp.supernews.com>,
bill drescher <nobody@Spamcop.net> wrote:
>I have a system that uses /usr/lib/sendmail -t to send messages
>generated by a program running on a user account. Works fine.
>
>At home I wrote a similar application to send newsletters to my
>friends/family and usually it generates an error in the file redirect
>the close codes to that says (paraphrase, I fixed it by a hack so I
>don't have the exact code available now) that it can not create an entry
>in /usr/spool/mqueue, which makes sense as it ie owned by root:mail and
>the permissions are 775.
>
>What is perplexing is that sometimes it will send the mail at home
>(about 1 time out of 10) and it always sends the mail at the customer
>site which has the same permissions afaik.
>
>Openserver 5.0.5
>
>I'd be glad to hear opinions as to how it works at all but I really
>would like suggestions on how to have a non-privileged user program send
>mail.
>
>for a temporary hack I changed the permissions on /usr/spool/mqueue to
>777, but am not comfortable with that.
sendmail needs to be setuid root in it's normal config.

LER

>
>--
>Bill Drescher
>william {at} TechServSys {dot} com
>


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Larry Rosenman wrote:
> In article <vum4jb4gqojm5b@corp.supernews.com>,
> bill drescher <nobody@Spamcop.net> wrote:
>
>>I have a system that uses /usr/lib/sendmail -t to send messages
>>generated by a program running on a user account. Works fine.
>>
>>At home I wrote a similar application to send newsletters to my
>>friends/family and usually it generates an error in the file redirect
>>the close codes to that says (paraphrase, I fixed it by a hack so I
>>don't have the exact code available now) that it can not create an entry
>>in /usr/spool/mqueue, which makes sense as it ie owned by root:mail and
>>the permissions are 775.
>>
>>What is perplexing is that sometimes it will send the mail at home
>>(about 1 time out of 10) and it always sends the mail at the customer
>>site which has the same permissions afaik.
>>
>>Openserver 5.0.5
>>
>>I'd be glad to hear opinions as to how it works at all but I really
>>would like suggestions on how to have a non-privileged user program send
>>mail.
>>
>>for a temporary hack I changed the permissions on /usr/spool/mqueue to
>>777, but am not comfortable with that.
>
> sendmail needs to be setuid root in it's normal config.
>
> LER
>
Thanks, but...
More fun, it is. I was wrong about the permissions (sloppy) the
permissions were/are -rws--x--x
I realize that the problem I am having can not be happening, but it was
probably infected by a winblows computer that shares the same desk.
Any other ideas ?



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william {at} TechServSys {dot} com

bill drescher <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote:
>>
>>>I have a system that uses /usr/lib/sendmail -t to send messages
>>>generated by a program running on a user account. Works fine.
>>>

Some reason why you aren't just using mail or mutt?

http://aplawrence.com/SCOFAQ/scotec6.html#mailxmutt

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Tony Lawrence wrote:
> bill drescher <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote:
>
>>>>I have a system that uses /usr/lib/sendmail -t to send messages
>>>>generated by a program running on a user account. Works fine.
>>>>
>
>
> Some reason why you aren't just using mail or mutt?
>
> http://aplawrence.com/SCOFAQ/scotec6.html#mailxmutt
>
haven't explored mutt as sendmail does the job (usually).
I don't think I can send a BCC using mail.

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bill drescher <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote:
>Tony Lawrence wrote:
>> bill drescher <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>>I have a system that uses /usr/lib/sendmail -t to send messages
>>>>>generated by a program running on a user account. Works fine.
>>>>>
>>
>>
>> Some reason why you aren't just using mail or mutt?
>>
>> http://aplawrence.com/SCOFAQ/scotec6.html#mailxmutt
>>
>haven't explored mutt as sendmail does the job (usually).
>I don't think I can send a BCC using mail.

You can send anything you like using Mutt.

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Tony Lawrence wrote:
> bill drescher <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote:
>
>>Tony Lawrence wrote:
>>
>>>bill drescher <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>I have a system that uses /usr/lib/sendmail -t to send messages
>>>>>>generated by a program running on a user account. Works fine.
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Some reason why you aren't just using mail or mutt?
>>>
>>>http://aplawrence.com/SCOFAQ/scotec6.html#mailxmutt
>>>
>>
>>haven't explored mutt as sendmail does the job (usually).
>>I don't think I can send a BCC using mail.
>
>
> You can send anything you like using Mutt.
>
Tony,
Assuming sendmail works as it should (big assumption), would you please
tell me why would I want to install and learn mutt, in addition to my
other responsibilities

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william {at} TechServSys {dot} com

bill drescher <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote:
>Tony Lawrence wrote:
>> bill drescher <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Tony Lawrence wrote:
>>>
>>>>bill drescher <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>I have a system that uses /usr/lib/sendmail -t to send messages
>>>>>>>generated by a program running on a user account. Works fine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Some reason why you aren't just using mail or mutt?
>>>>
>>>>http://aplawrence.com/SCOFAQ/scotec6.html#mailxmutt
>>>>
>>>
>>>haven't explored mutt as sendmail does the job (usually).
>>>I don't think I can send a BCC using mail.
>>
>>
>> You can send anything you like using Mutt.
>>
>Tony,
>Assuming sendmail works as it should (big assumption), would you please
>tell me why would I want to install and learn mutt, in addition to my
>other responsibilities


Because sendmail WON'T work as you are using it in many environments.
For security reasons, most systems absolutely will NOT let an ordinary
user invoke sendmail directly.

"Install and learn" is hardly any big deal. See
http://aplawrence.com/Unixart/dhemailmutt.html

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In article <vutcnknjl3qj7a@corp.supernews.com>,
bill drescher <nobody@Spamcop.net> wrote:
>Tony Lawrence wrote:
>> bill drescher <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Tony Lawrence wrote:

>>>>bill drescher <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote:

>>>>>>>I have a system that uses /usr/lib/sendmail -t to send messages
>>>>>>>generated by a program running on a user account. Works fine.

>>>>Some reason why you aren't just using mail or mutt?

>>>>http://aplawrence.com/SCOFAQ/scotec6.html#mailxmutt

>>>haven't explored mutt as sendmail does the job (usually).
>>>I don't think I can send a BCC using mail.

>> You can send anything you like using Mutt.

>Tony,
>Assuming sendmail works as it should (big assumption), would you please
>tell me why would I want to install and learn mutt, in addition to my
>other responsibilities

I'm not Tony but let me drop in here a moment.

Mail systems are divided into three parts, MTA, MSA, MUA

MTA - Mail Transport Agent - sendmail and other transport devices
used to get transport mail from one system to another


MSA - Mail Submission Agent - send the mail to the MTA

MUA - Mail User Agent - the interface to mail that the users
have - mutt, pine, Outlook, whatever.

Mutt handles both the MUA and MSA parts.

Tony points out that not all places allow direct access to
sendmail. And since sendmail is ubiquitous some systems ship with
wrappers so that all programs which by default use sendmail, use
the MTA on the system as dictated by the wrapper, so that even if
you call sendmail another MTA is used.

On different lists I've seen requests from people along the line
of "how do I create an attachment in sendmail" and someone
invariable comes up with a uuencode sent to sendmail, but using
user agents to do all the grunt work is far easier.

Using Mutt should make your life easier.

Bill

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Bill Vermillion wrote:
> In article <vutcnknjl3qj7a@corp.supernews.com>,
> bill drescher <nobody@Spamcop.net> wrote:
>
>>Tony Lawrence wrote:
>>
>>>bill drescher <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Tony Lawrence wrote:
>
>
>>>>>bill drescher <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>>>>>>I have a system that uses /usr/lib/sendmail -t to send messages
>>>>>>>>generated by a program running on a user account. Works fine.
>
>
>>>>>Some reason why you aren't just using mail or mutt?
>
>
>>>>>http://aplawrence.com/SCOFAQ/scotec6.html#mailxmutt
>
>
>>>>haven't explored mutt as sendmail does the job (usually).
>>>>I don't think I can send a BCC using mail.
>
>
>>>You can send anything you like using Mutt.
>
>
>>Tony,
>>Assuming sendmail works as it should (big assumption), would you please
>>tell me why would I want to install and learn mutt, in addition to my
>>other responsibilities
>
>
> I'm not Tony but let me drop in here a moment.
>
> Mail systems are divided into three parts, MTA, MSA, MUA
>
> MTA - Mail Transport Agent - sendmail and other transport devices
> used to get transport mail from one system to another
>
>
> MSA - Mail Submission Agent - send the mail to the MTA
>
> MUA - Mail User Agent - the interface to mail that the users
> have - mutt, pine, Outlook, whatever.
>
> Mutt handles both the MUA and MSA parts.
>
> Tony points out that not all places allow direct access to
> sendmail. And since sendmail is ubiquitous some systems ship with
> wrappers so that all programs which by default use sendmail, use
> the MTA on the system as dictated by the wrapper, so that even if
> you call sendmail another MTA is used.
>
> On different lists I've seen requests from people along the line
> of "how do I create an attachment in sendmail" and someone
> invariable comes up with a uuencode sent to sendmail, but using
> user agents to do all the grunt work is far easier.
>
> Using Mutt should make your life easier.
>
> Bill
>
Tony, Bill
Thanks and the points are well taken. I will add MUTT to my list of
things to learn, somewhere near the top I guess.

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