On 1 Dec 2003 13:52:32 GMT, Joost Kremers <joostkremers@yahoo.com> wrote:
[snip explanation or Dutch 'ui']

Thanks for that.

> it's really something you should hear... ;-)

I'll try listening to a few words that use it on my Learning Dutch CD.


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Morgan Landry wrote :
> The words are:
>
Heres the Danish version

> 1) Internet
Internet

> 2) server
Server

> 3) program
Program

> 4) technology
Teknologi

> 5) monitor
Skaerm (Skærm)

> 6) keyboard
Tastatur

> 7) mouse
Mus

> 8) compact disc (CD)
CD

> 9) digital video/versatile disc (DVD)
DVD

> 10) hard drive
Harddisk
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On 2003-12-01, Joost Kremers <joostkremers@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> there is another possibility, namely that the word is
> translated (a so-called 'calque'). most "official" arabic words are just
> translations of their english counterpart. most dutch words are, too.

Interesting. I haven't thought about that. IANAL (I am not a
linguist), so I don't know that much about different types of speech.
How prevalent, in your opinion, are English words in other languages,
and why do you believe that is?

>
>> software. But I realized that the word "computer" didn't carry over to
>> other languages,
>
> it didn't? some languages do use loan words (dutch & german 'computer', (do
> germans spell it Komputer?) and arabic 'kambjutar', mexican spanish
> computador/computadora) or calques (arabic 'Haasib' and 'Hasuub' literally
> mean 'something that computes'.)
>

I was thinking of the Italian and French words for computer, IIRC:
"calculatore" in Italian and "ordinateur" in French, according to
Babelfish.

Morgan
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Morgan Landry wrote:
>
> On 2003-12-01, Joost Kremers <joostkremers@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> there is another possibility, namely that the word is
>> translated (a so-called 'calque'). most "official" arabic words are just
>> translations of their english counterpart. most dutch words are, too.
>
> Interesting. I haven't thought about that. IANAL (I am not a
> linguist), so I don't know that much about different types of speech.
> How prevalent, in your opinion, are English words in other languages,

very, i think, if you take calques into account.

> and why do you believe that is?

because it is an easy way to from new terminology. if a language needs a
new word for something that has just been invented, there are several
options. a) borrow a word from another language (a loan word), b) translate
a word from another language (a calque), and c) create a completely new
word. obviously, a) is the easiest, with b) a close second. c) can be quite
difficult.

>> it didn't? some languages do use loan words (dutch & german 'computer', (do
>> germans spell it Komputer?) and arabic 'kambjutar', mexican spanish
>> computador/computadora) or calques (arabic 'Haasib' and 'Hasuub' literally
>> mean 'something that computes'.)
>
> I was thinking of the Italian and French words for computer, IIRC:
> "calculatore" in Italian and "ordinateur" in French, according to
> Babelfish.

calculatore seems to be a calque. french ordinateur (and similarly spanish
ordenador) seem to be new inventions, most likely inspired by the desire
*not* to use an english word...

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Morgan Landry <me@privacy.net> wrote:
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> On 2003-12-01, Joost Kremers <joostkremers@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > there is another possibility, namely that the word is
> > translated (a so-called 'calque'). most "official" arabic words are just
> > translations of their english counterpart. most dutch words are, too.

> Interesting. I haven't thought about that. IANAL (I am not a
> linguist), so I don't know that much about different types of speech.

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understand that your use of pgp is not warranted in this post and,
as such, violates accepted standards of netiquette.

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do so.

cordially, as always,

rm

On 1 Dec 2003 02:11:40 GMT
Morgan Landry <me@privacy.net> wrote:

> Hey y'all,

Hello,

$ echo $LANG
el_GR

English Greek
-----------------------------------------------------
1) Internet Internet, Diadiktio
2) server server
3) program programma
4) technology tehnologia
5) monitor monitor, othoni
6) keyboard keyboard, pliktrologio
7) mouse mouse, pontiki
8) CD CD
9) DVD DVD
10) hard drive skliros diskos (or simply "diskos")

> Thanks,
> Morgan

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On 1 Dec 2003 16:52:00 GMT, Morgan Landry <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> "calculatore" in Italian

I thought that was odd, so I looked it up on
<URL:http://www.yourdictionary.com/>, which says 'ordinatore'. My
abridged Spanish dictionary (I usually just call her 'Anna') tells me
that the Spanish word is similar ('ordenador').


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On 1 Dec 2003 17:34:56 GMT, Joost Kremers <joostkremers@yahoo.com> wrote:
> calculatore seems to be a calque. french ordinateur (and similarly spanish
> ordenador) seem to be new inventions, most likely inspired by the desire
> *not* to use an english word...

I'm interested in how you thought that 'ordinateur' and 'ordenador'
were new inventions. I thought that one may be a new invention and the
other a calque (I have no idea which is which, though).


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Morgan Landry wrote :
>
> Interesting. The point of the project is to demonstrate how often
> other languages adopt (or is that adapt?) English words for
> technological purposes.

There's always been some interaction between languages so this is not
something new. Words like technology and program has been adopted by
many languages from old Greek. And derivates of the Latin word computare
did probably exist in many languages long before the first computer was
invented.

The only language i know of that don't adopt words from others is Finnish
because its grammar prevent this from happening.

> You'd be surprised how often, for example, the word "Internet" is
> used across languages, for example.

I'm not, the Internet is something completely new and instead of
inventing a new word for every language the English expression has just
been adopted.
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On 2003-12-01, Morgan Landry <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> Writing yet another paper, and I need your help again. This is for
> people who know another language besides English.

Does Californian count?

> 1) Internet

like, 'net, dude

> 2) server

like, totally rad box

> 3) program

like, that thing

> 4) technology

like, stuff

> 5) monitor

like, my big screen

> 6) keyboard

like, that is *so* 90s

> 7) mouse

like, eww

> 8) compact disc (CD)

like, have you even heard of DVDs, dude?

> 9) digital video/versatile disc (DVD)

like, whoa

> 10) hard drive

like, that's where I store my MP3s, dude

I hope that, like, helps.

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