Hey all. I'm looking at switching from my Mandrake world over to Slack.
Well, actually, I basically have, but so many of my friends are telling me
how great Gentoo is. I saw a very basic performance article at Gentoo
comparing Gentoo and Mandrake. I was curious if anyone has ever done a
comparison between Slack and Gentoo? I don't really wish to go through
the compilation of Gentoo if there is no substantial speed benefit over
Slack. I'm pretty much hooked. Can't believe it took me eight years to
come back to Slack. WOH! RPM sucked me in pretty good. :-/

Thanks,

~T

In newsan.2003.12.03.12.51.55.968312@_excite_._com,
tkrin <tkrin@_excite_._com> rambled:

> Hey all. I'm looking at switching from my Mandrake world over to
> Slack. Well, actually, I basically have, but so many of my friends
> are telling me how great Gentoo is. I saw a very basic performance
> article at Gentoo comparing Gentoo and Mandrake. I was curious if
> anyone has ever done a comparison between Slack and Gentoo? I don't
> really wish to go through the compilation of Gentoo if there is no
> substantial speed benefit over Slack. I'm pretty much hooked. Can't
> believe it took me eight years to come back to Slack. WOH! RPM
> sucked me in pretty good. :-/
>

I think the question you have to be asking yourself is really how does the
time taken to compile everything from stage 1 compare to the time you will
save while the box is in use.

Given that it takes hours to get a gentoo box into any sort of useable state
from stage 1, I would reckon it would have to be pretty damn quick to be
worth it.

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I think so, Brain, but shouldn't the bat boy be wearing a cape?

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 14:04:21 +0000, Billy Watt wrote:

> In newsan.2003.12.03.12.51.55.968312@_excite_._com, tkrin
> <tkrin@_excite_._com> rambled:
>
>> Hey all. I'm looking at switching from my Mandrake world over to Slack.
>> Well, actually, I basically have, but so many of my friends are telling
>> me how great Gentoo is. I saw a very basic performance article at
>> Gentoo comparing Gentoo and Mandrake. I was curious if anyone has ever
>> done a comparison between Slack and Gentoo? I don't really wish to go
>> through the compilation of Gentoo if there is no substantial speed
>> benefit over Slack. I'm pretty much hooked. Can't believe it took me
>> eight years to come back to Slack. WOH! RPM sucked me in pretty good.
>> :-/
>>
>>
> I think the question you have to be asking yourself is really how does the
> time taken to compile everything from stage 1 compare to the time you will
> save while the box is in use.
>
> Given that it takes hours to get a gentoo box into any sort of useable
> state from stage 1, I would reckon it would have to be pretty damn quick
> to be worth it.


You got that right. That's exactly my point. Does the time spent
compiling really do much for the applications? I'm inclined to say no,
but you never know.

~T

Hallo tkrin

> You got that right. That's exactly my point. Does the time spent
> compiling really do much for the applications? I'm inclined to say
> no, but you never know.

Here's another comparison. No Slack, but Debian+MDK (link in one line, of
course):

http://articles.linmagau.org/modules.php?
op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticl e&artid=227

Juergen

In article <bqkt8v$mrd$1@online.de>, Juergen Frieling wrote:
> Here's another comparison. No Slack, but Debian+MDK (link in one line, of
>
> http://articles.linmagau.org/modules...icle&artid=227

The people who did that test, being GUI-oriented, might have made some
fundamental errors, I guess. See the "Distro Day II - Revisited" link:
http://articles.linmagau.org/modules...tid=437&page=1

I think the second tester was a bit more clueful and thorough, and his
results were more like what what you would expect to see: Gentoo with a
slight edge in some ways. It seems clear to me that even with these
gains, you would not see a noticeable difference in typical tasks on
Gentoo as opposed to Slackware.

I see the appeal of Gentoo as being a convenient way to keep on the
bleeding edge. I doubt that's what draws in most new Gentoo users,
however; they seem to be drawn by, "Wow, what a geeky thrill, my box
compiled all this and it will be SoooOOOOooo FAST!"
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tkrin schrieb:

> Hey all. I'm looking at switching from my Mandrake world over to Slack.
> Well, actually, I basically have, but so many of my friends are telling me
> how great Gentoo is. I saw a very basic performance article at Gentoo
> comparing Gentoo and Mandrake. I was curious if anyone has ever done a
> comparison between Slack and Gentoo? I don't really wish to go through
> the compilation of Gentoo if there is no substantial speed benefit over
> Slack. I'm pretty much hooked. Can't believe it took me eight years to
> come back to Slack. WOH! RPM sucked me in pretty good. :-/

The only advantage of Gentoo that I would see is the package management
it has, you don't have to look around which software can or should be
updated. But that's a matter of philosophy, so you cant't really compare
Slack with Gentoo.

I used Gentoo for a while and it felt quite fast compared to SuSE, which
I had used before, but it really takes a long time to keep it maintained
and from a certain point on, the update procedures often got stuck
because of wrong or bad compiling options that I put in.
And that can be a real bummer: Taking a look in the morning after a
night of compiling and finding that you have done something wrong again :-)

I would say that Slack's speed is similar to Gentoo's (just a feeling, I
didn't do any tests). And if you like, you can compile everything fom
source in Slackware, too.

Just my 2ct...

Cheerz Lars

/dev/rob0 wrote:
>> http://articles.linmagau.org/modules...icle&artid=227
[...]
> http://articles.linmagau.org/modules...tid=437&page=1

am i the only one for whom both these links return 404's?

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Slackware doesn't have any quirks. Other distros have quirks. Slackware's
just pure Linux.

Joost Kremers wrote:
> /dev/rob0 wrote:
>>> http://articles.linmagau.org/modules...icle&artid=227
> [...]
>> http://articles.linmagau.org/modules...tid=437&page=1
>
> am i the only one for whom both these links return 404's?

found them through the search facility. exact same links, AFAICT. strange...

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Slackware doesn't have any quirks. Other distros have quirks. Slackware's
just pure Linux.

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 16:21:18 +0000, Joost Kremers wrote:

> /dev/rob0 wrote:
>>> http://articles.linmagau.org/modules...icle&artid=227
> [...]
>> http://articles.linmagau.org/modules...tid=437&page=1
>
> am i the only one for whom both these links return 404's?

They worked just fine for me.

BTW, thanks all. I'm not seeing any real benefit w/ Gentoo from what I'm
seeing here and at other places. I really don't care about a second or
two in application performance. I don't open and close an application
over and over and over generally.

I think I'm here to stay. w00t

Now to make sure VMWare will work. Had to fake a SysV directory layout
though, since VMWare is not officially supported in Slack. Still it
installed OK and loads the modules. Just have to install some guest OSs
and see what happens.

~T

Joost Kremers wrote:
>>> http://articles.linmagau.org/modules...icle&artid=227
> [...]
>> http://articles.linmagau.org/modules...tid=437&page=1
>
> am i the only one for whom both these links return 404's?

Word wrap? The first was the previous poster's link with the line break
removed, and the second was linked from that page.

In case the server's down, I'll summarise:
first link, artid=227:
Debian and Mandrake fairly close in performance, Gentoo WAY behind
second link, artid=437:
Gentoo user redid the tests, changed some things in how Gentoo was
built; all 3 fairly close, Gentoo slightly ahead.
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