Can I ask a really dumb question.

I'm just starting to get my head around all this X-Window thing.

I'm about to download some software, there are packages there for Motif and
GTK. Am I right in thinking GTK is Gnome Toolkit, and this will only work
under the Gnome environment?

My window manager of choice is KDE, so should I download the Motif one then,
or does KDE emulate GTK.......?? Does what I'm asking even make any sense!

If anyone could give me a quick rundown on the above, I'd really appreciate
it.

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Mr Balloon wrote:
| Can I ask a really dumb question.
|
| I'm just starting to get my head around all this X-Window thing.
|
| I'm about to download some software, there are packages there for
Motif and
| GTK. Am I right in thinking GTK is Gnome Toolkit, and this will only work
| under the Gnome environment?
|
| My window manager of choice is KDE, so should I download the Motif one
then,
| or does KDE emulate GTK.......?? Does what I'm asking even make any
sense!
|
| If anyone could give me a quick rundown on the above, I'd really
appreciate
| it.
|
|

gtk isn't gnome sepecific, gtk apps can work in gnome/kde/windows + mac
os X i think

not came across a motif app in a long time...

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Fred Emmott wrote:
>
> gtk isn't gnome sepecific, gtk apps can work in gnome/kde/windows +
> mac
> os X i think

Thanks Fred, I'll get the GTK one then.

In <3fe063da$0$9386$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com>, Mr Balloon wrote:

>
> If anyone could give me a quick rundown on the above, I'd really
> appreciate it.
X is the underlying architecture for graphics display in most linuxes.
Some efforts are made to introduce new concepts, but...

To write programs directly in X with full window handling and stuff is
rather complex. Therefore, you got APIs to make things easier. A rather
old one (and you see it) is motif. Some apps use it (xmgrace comes to my
mind, maybe acrobat reader?).

The most widespread APIs are GTK (Gimp Toolkit) and Qt. GTK and GTK2 are
the base of Gnome and Gnome2, Qt is the base of KDE.

You can run GTK apps outside of gnome, inside KDE and so on, as long as
you have the GTK libraries. You can run gnome apps under KDE, if you have
GTK and gnome libraries installed, and so on...

I like to run gnome apps under windowmaker, and have no problems.

Hope this fast overview is sufficient, and hopefully not too sloppy for
the pickier folks round here...

Have a nice day
Franz

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Atominstitut, TU Wien

Mr Balloon wrote:

> Can I ask a really dumb question.
>
> I'm just starting to get my head around all this X-Window thing.
>
> I'm about to download some software, there are packages there for Motif and
> GTK. Am I right in thinking GTK is Gnome Toolkit, and this will only work
> under the Gnome environment?

The GTK is the "/Gimp/ Tool Kit". It doesn't require GNOME; it's a
general-purpose X toolkit like Motif or QT. It was used to build "The Gimp"
(it's genesis) and GNOME.

> My window manager of choice is KDE, so should I download the Motif one then,
> or does KDE emulate GTK.......?? Does what I'm asking even make any sense!

KDE uses the QT toolkit from Trolltech. It doesn't use or emulate either
Motif /or/ GTK. If you want to develop apps for your WM-of-choice (that is,
KDE), then you'll need QT, and can safely ignore Motif and GTK. However, if
your goal is to develop for other platforms, you might want to examine the
differences between QT, GTK, and Motif, and choose one for your development.

> If anyone could give me a quick rundown on the above, I'd really appreciate
> it.

GTK, QT, and Motif are "toolkits". They all supply basic "high-level"
windowing APIs to make programming tasks easier. They all implement their
high-level API with calls to the XLib low-level API. They are siblings; each
providing the same services, but with individual differences in behaviour
and appearance.

To make a MSWindows analogy, they are like Borland's OWL and Microsoft's
MFC; different APIs that implement the same actions, but with individual
differences in behaviour and appearance.



--
Lew Pitcher, IT Consultant, Application Architecture
Enterprise Technology Solutions, TD Bank Financial Group

(Opinions expressed here are my own, not my employer's)

Franz M. Sauerzopf wrote:
> In <3fe063da$0$9386$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com>, Mr Balloon
> wrote:
>

Thanks Franz and Lew, two very informative posts.

Out of interest, what is the pronunciation for 'Qt'.. A softer sounding
'cutey' or a more harsh 'Q. T.'? (Just because I heard someone the other
day refer to 'Tcl' as tickle, where I'd always pronounced it 'T. C. L.')

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:38:20 -0000,
Mr Balloon <mrballoon@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Out of interest, what is the pronunciation for 'Qt'.. A softer sounding
> 'cutey' or a more harsh 'Q. T.'? (Just because I heard someone the other
> day refer to 'Tcl' as tickle, where I'd always pronounced it 'T. C. L.')

I'm not sure about Qt pronunciation, (although I go for the harsh
version), but Tcl is generally pronounced as tickle. From
<http://www.faqs.org/faqs/tcl-faq/part1/>:

#v+
Tcl [...] stands for ``tool command language'' and is pronounced
``tickle.''
#v-


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On 2003-12-17, Mr Balloon <mrballoon@aol.com> wrote:

> I'm about to download some software, there are packages there for Motif and
> GTK. Am I right in thinking GTK is Gnome Toolkit, and this will only work
> under the Gnome environment?

The GTK library supplies widgets and such for X programming. You don't
need the rest of Gnome to use the GTK library.

Fred Emmott <pcfreak65@hotmail.com> wrote:
> gtk isn't gnome sepecific, gtk apps can work in gnome/kde/windows + mac
> os X i think

Example of gtk applications are:
xmms (WinAmp like music player)
AbiWord (Word-like P/D text processor)
Gimp (Graphical Image Manipulation Program)
and, I believe, the xfce desktop enviroment.

> not came across a motif app in a long time...

Try Nedit (ok, so it's got the Motix support compiled INTO the
executable, so you won't need the Motif libs for it).
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On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:31:46 +0000 (UTC), Eef Hartman <E.J.M.Hartman@math.tudelft.nl> wrote:
> Example of gtk applications are:
> xmms (WinAmp like music player)
> AbiWord (Word-like P/D text processor)
> Gimp (Graphical Image Manipulation Program)
> and, I believe, the xfce desktop enviroment.

You missed the best IM client... gaim :-)
and xchat, a decent IRC client

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