Hi guys:
As some of you already know, i'm planning on installing Slack 9.1 this
weekend. Right now i'm reading Slackware docs and articles in the Net,
preparing for the great shindig.

I'm reading furiously, got no printer, (i live in the boondocks in
central america), so i write everything down.

Here is an excerpt of my notes:
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1. INSTALLPKG: doesn't deal with dependencies.(dump the mofo)

If I want to install a package:

'installpkg swaret-1.3.1-noarch-8.tgz'

but i have to write correctly the name of the package!
Where do i find the list of packages in the repositories of Slack that
spell correctly the names in order to use "installpkg"? Turururú...the X
Files.

2. SWARET: deals with dependencies. (white man's tool, civilized)

'swaret --install grub'

'swaret --upgrade gnome'
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Please correct my assumptions if needed be.

QUESTION: Should i just deal with swaret for the moment? As a newbie,
can i get away with this?

gratefully,
mario

In article <brssin$7b82s$1@ID-130336.news.uni-berlin.de>, mario wrote:
> As some of you already know, i'm planning on installing Slack 9.1 this
> weekend. Right now i'm reading Slackware docs and articles in the Net,
> preparing for the great shindig.

Some of it, you cannot prepare for. Just do it and have Faith in Slack.
But you should definitely see The Book:
http://www.slackware.com/book/
as well as the FAQ for this newsgroup.

> I'm reading furiously, got no printer, (i live in the boondocks in
> central america), so i write everything down.

Ooooh, nice! Is it warm there? Can I come visit?

> Here is an excerpt of my notes:
> *****************************************
> 1. INSTALLPKG: doesn't deal with dependencies.(dump the mofo)

??? installpkg is the heart and soul of Slackware's package system.

> If I want to install a package:
>
> 'installpkg swaret-1.3.1-noarch-8.tgz'
>
> but i have to write correctly the name of the package!

Shell filename expansion (a/k/a globbing) can help: "swaret*tgz" or the
old favourite "*tgz".

> Where do i find the list of packages in the repositories of Slack that
> spell correctly the names in order to use "installpkg"? Turururú...the X

/bin/ls?

If you have the space to do a full install, I highly recommend that.
Then you'll want to browse through the extra/ directory on the second
CD, which contains swaret and others which are not installed in the
full install.

> 2. SWARET: deals with dependencies. (white man's tool, civilized)

You might find Debian more to your liking. Slackful people tend to not
place much trust in dependency checking. I've used swaret a little, and
I do not wish to impugn the reputation of swaret, but I did not enable
its dependency checking.

GAFC hint: all dependency issues can be found in README and INSTALL
files, which in general you should read anyway.

> QUESTION: Should i just deal with swaret for the moment? As a newbie,
> can i get away with this?

I don't know. What do you expect you will want to install? Most things
you will want, if not included with Slackware, will not come in the form
of binary packages. (Some can be found on linuxpackages.net, however.)
When I install something I generally do it from source code. There are
two packages in extra/, checkinstall and slacktrack, which put your
locally-compiled packages in the pkgtool database, for easy removal,
upgrading, or portability to other systems.

Good luck, have fun, and please be sure not to drink all the licka
(liquor) down in Costa Ricka (Rica). Whilst it ain't nobody's business
but your own, it would be likely to interfere with your Slack install.
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/dev/rob0 wrote:

> But you should definitely see The Book:
> http://www.slackware.com/book/

done.

>>I'm reading furiously, got no printer, (i live in the boondocks in
>>central america), so i write everything down.

> Ooooh, nice! Is it warm there? Can I come visit?

Sorry, no limeys, only rastas and pakis. it's hot and humid, i wish i
were in London.

> If you have the space to do a full install, I highly recommend that.

hmm, all i got is a 5gig hdd on a PII 266, i can't see installing gnome
AND kde at the same time (maybe icewm, flux or xfce4), although
supposedly, it's only 2gigs of software. I was thinking on using the
'newbie' mode of installation in which the essential packages are
already selected and you can read the description of whatever else you
are installing, at least the first time around, no matter how verbose it
is, i'm in no rush, everything is slow down here anyways.

> Then you'll want to browse through the extra/ directory on the second
> CD, which contains swaret and others which are not installed in the
> full install.

ok, so you select swaret and checkinstall if you want them, and keep on
installing?

>>2. SWARET: deals with dependencies. (white man's tool, civilized)

> You might find Debian more to your liking.

i'm writing from Sid, just wanna learn something different.

> Slackful people tend to not
> place much trust in dependency checking. I've used swaret a little, and
> I do not wish to impugn the reputation of swaret, but I did not enable
> its dependency checking.
>
> GAFC hint: all dependency issues can be found in README and INSTALL
> files, which in general you should read anyway.

GAFC???

>>QUESTION: Should i just deal with swaret for the moment? As a newbie,
>>can i get away with this?

> I don't know. What do you expect you will want to install? Most things
> you will want, if not included with Slackware, will not come in the form
> of binary packages. (Some can be found on linuxpackages.net, however.)
> When I install something I generally do it from source code. There are
> two packages in extra/, checkinstall and slacktrack, which put your
> locally-compiled packages in the pkgtool database, for easy removal,
> upgrading, or portability to other systems.

ok, i'm writing this down. good stuff!

> Good luck, have fun, and please be sure not to drink all the licka
> (liquor)

yah, mon! no rum and no ganja!

> down in Costa Ricka (Rica). Whilst it ain't nobody's business
> but your own, it would be likely to interfere with your Slack install.

you mean, i might not remember what i did, the next day?

thanks mate, you've been a lot of help.

mario

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:52:11 -0500, mario@hotmail.com wrote:

> Hi guys:
> As some of you already know, i'm planning on installing Slack 9.1 this
> weekend. Right now i'm reading Slackware docs and articles in the Net,
> preparing for the great shindig.


I thought that:
http://www.interlude.org.uk/unix/sla...ell_server.txt

might be helpful to you, but then I noticed that you are installing
a desktop (gnome gave it away ), so it might not be as useful to you as
perhaps it could have been; although the stuff with fdisk may help.

I wrote it in the hope that other people at work could follow it
and save me the bother of installing Slackware shell servers (because
I still haven't got around to custom tag files), but I haven't finished
it yet.

--
Stuart Winter
www.interlude.org.uk & www.biscuit.org.uk

Stuart Winter wrote:

> I thought that:
> http://www.interlude.org.uk/unix/sla...ell_server.txt
>
> might be helpful to you, but then I noticed that you are installing
> a desktop (gnome gave it away ), so it might not be as useful to you as
> perhaps it could have been; although the stuff with fdisk may help.

I'll use cfdisk, fdisk gives me a headache.

thanks bud,

mario

mario wrote:
> /dev/rob0 wrote:
>
>> But you should definitely see The Book:
>> http://www.slackware.com/book/
>
>
> done.
>
>>> I'm reading furiously, got no printer, (i live in the boondocks in
>>> central america), so i write everything down.
>
>
>> Ooooh, nice! Is it warm there? Can I come visit?
>
>
> Sorry, no limeys, only rastas and pakis. it's hot and humid, i wish i
> were in London.
>
>> If you have the space to do a full install, I highly recommend that.
>
>
> hmm, all i got is a 5gig hdd on a PII 266, i can't see installing gnome
> AND kde at the same time (maybe icewm, flux or xfce4), although
> supposedly, it's only 2gigs of software. I was thinking on using the
> 'newbie' mode of installation in which the essential packages are
> already selected and you can read the description of whatever else you
> are installing, at least the first time around, no matter how verbose it
> is, i'm in no rush, everything is slow down here anyways.
Newbie here I have 9.0 with 5 simpie managers and KDE and Dropline Gnome
Full install on only 2.7gig DKE is close to full install. and I had to
add some 6 packages to install dropline. 5 gig are plenty.
>
>> Then you'll want to browse through the extra/ directory on the second
>> CD, which contains swaret and others which are not installed in the
>> full install.
>
>
> ok, so you select swaret and checkinstall if you want them, and keep on
> installing?
>
>>> 2. SWARET: deals with dependencies. (white man's tool, civilized)
>
>
>> You might find Debian more to your liking.
>
>
> i'm writing from Sid, just wanna learn something different.
>
>> Slackful people tend to not
>> place much trust in dependency checking. I've used swaret a little, and
>> I do not wish to impugn the reputation of swaret, but I did not enable
>> its dependency checking.
>>
>> GAFC hint: all dependency issues can be found in README and INSTALL
>> files, which in general you should read anyway.
>
>
> GAFC???
>
>>> QUESTION: Should i just deal with swaret for the moment? As a newbie,
>>> can i get away with this?
>
>
>> I don't know. What do you expect you will want to install? Most things
>> you will want, if not included with Slackware, will not come in the form
>> of binary packages. (Some can be found on linuxpackages.net, however.)
>> When I install something I generally do it from source code. There are
>> two packages in extra/, checkinstall and slacktrack, which put your
>> locally-compiled packages in the pkgtool database, for easy removal,
>> upgrading, or portability to other systems.
>
>
> ok, i'm writing this down. good stuff!
>
>> Good luck, have fun, and please be sure not to drink all the licka
>> (liquor)
>
>
> yah, mon! no rum and no ganja!
>
>> down in Costa Ricka (Rica). Whilst it ain't nobody's business
>> but your own, it would be likely to interfere with your Slack install.
>
>
> you mean, i might not remember what i did, the next day?
>
> thanks mate, you've been a lot of help.
>
> mario
>

In news:brt5rs$7eoc7$1@ID-130336.news.uni-berlin.de,
mario <mario@hotmail.com> rambled:

>>
>> GAFC hint: all dependency issues can be found in README and INSTALL
>> files, which in general you should read anyway.
>
> GAFC???
>

Get A "Friendly" Clue :-)

--
Billy

"Are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
Umm, I think so, Brain, but what if the chicken won't wear the nylons?

Billy Watt wrote:
> In news:brt5rs$7eoc7$1@ID-130336.news.uni-berlin.de,
> mario <mario@hotmail.com> rambled:
>
>
>>>GAFC hint: all dependency issues can be found in README and INSTALL
>>>files, which in general you should read anyway.
>>
>>GAFC???
>>
>
>
> Get A "Friendly" Clue :-)
>
thanks!

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On 2003-12-18, mario <mario@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'll use cfdisk, fdisk gives me a headache.

I think we debated this topic a few months ago, but the man page for
fdisk recommends you use cfdisk if possible, so don't feel bad about
using it.

- --keith

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In article <brt5rs$7eoc7$1@ID-130336.news.uni-berlin.de>, mario wrote:
>> Ooooh, nice! Is it warm there? Can I come visit?
>
> Sorry, no limeys, only rastas and pakis. it's hot and humid, i wish i
> were in London.

Ethnic diversity doesn't bother me, even if I'm the one providing it.
Heat sounds good. Humidity, I can tolerate. On my way, see you soon.

> hmm, all i got is a 5gig hdd on a PII 266, i can't see installing gnome
> AND kde at the same time (maybe icewm, flux or xfce4), although

It won't do well running either KDE or GNOME, but you might want to run
some of those apps under another window manager.

> supposedly, it's only 2gigs of software. I was thinking on using the

I haven't measured recently; I think 9.1 might be a bit more, bit still
well under 5GB. When I have room, I do a full install and then go into
pkgtool to remove things not needed.

> 'newbie' mode of installation in which the essential packages are
> already selected and you can read the description of whatever else you
> are installing, at least the first time around, no matter how verbose it
> is, i'm in no rush, everything is slow down here anyways.

It might be good to see all those descriptions, but you're right, it
will take a lot of your time.

>> Then you'll want to browse through the extra/ directory on the second
>> CD, which contains swaret and others which are not installed in the
>> full install.
>
> ok, so you select swaret and checkinstall if you want them, and keep on
> installing?

No, sorry, there is no menu for the packages in extra. You go in and
manually installpkg those, usually after setup is complete and you have
booted the newly-installed system.

> GAFC???

When you "Get A Full Clue" things in Slackware (and in GNU/Linux, and in
computing, and in life in general) begin to make more sense to you. It
gives a tremendous feeling of empowerment.

>> down in Costa Ricka (Rica). Whilst it ain't nobody's business
>> but your own, it would be likely to interfere with your Slack install.
>
> you mean, i might not remember what i did, the next day?

Indeed!

> thanks mate, you've been a lot of help.

Good. Have fun, and welcome. Don't hesitate to pop in when you need a
bit of help, or feel like flaming or being flamed.
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