about this ng :

Cibao, beldar, Faux_etc, Alan Hicks, Guy Macon, Chiron, couple others....
etc; the newsgroup self_appointed cops ...... the bulies of this news
group.

Hey guys: GROW UP. ...


It's Just a newsgroup, a discussion group, a forum, a self _disciplining
forum, don't worry about "rm"; You guys call him a troll, I and some others
call you guys bullies, ......


So what gives? who's to decide? what's the charter?

Relax, or the few of you why not start your own mailing list or your own ng?

on 2004-03-06, in <Gme2c.23840$aT1.10596@newsread1.news.pas.earthlin k.net>,
these words of wisdom from AJ did appear:
>
> about this ng :
>
> Cibao, beldar, Faux_etc, Alan Hicks, Guy Macon, Chiron, couple others....
> etc; the newsgroup self_appointed cops ...... the bulies of this news
> group.
>
> Hey guys: GROW UP. ...

That's odd. I thought that was exactly what these so-called "self_appointed
cops" were trying to say to the trolls.

These guys are not bullies. I don't know how much more patiently we can
explain it. When you come in and ask a question that's been asked 20 times,
that's really so simple that

# find / -name "*<what your question is about>*" -print

will yield your answer, or, failing that, http://www.google.com, type your
question in the text box, and 99 times out of 100, the answer turns up on
the first page. Yes, seeing that level of laziness does kind of pique some
folks' ire. But a gentle reminder does not a bully make. If anything, the
trolls are aspiring to bullyhood and panic when they see just how dramatically
outclassed they are.

And I haven't even mentioned the real trolls - heck, just asking, if you're
a newbie, someone saying, "type your question into google" _is_ the answer.
Or at least, _an_ answer. We're gratified when one of you comes unto us,
and speaketh: "I took your advice, oh Great Guru, and Lo and Behold!
Success!" ¿:->

But the ones who just come in and drop insults and try to pick fights will
be dealt with in the manner that's appropriate to the emotional age that
they've shown by their words they're stuck at. It's pretty much that simple.

Of course, when the 2- or 3-year-old inner child hears "Grow Up!", he/she
goes from panic to panic^2, and almost no course of action at that point
really is very productive to anybody, except maybe palliation. I'd be
happy to do that, if it would work.

Oh, well, I pontificate.

Cheers!
Rich

Rich Grise wrote:

> These guys are not bullies. I don't know how much more patiently we can
> explain it. When you come in and ask a question that's been asked 20
> times, that's really so simple that

I agree. Linux is a do it your self thing. Find your own answer for your
own set up and your own liking thing.

It is the insult and flaming which is not appreciated.

AJ wrote:

> It is the insult and flaming which is not appreciated.

So your dream is to ban flaming on the net???
Well, good luck to you accomplishing this.
But this makes me laugh, really.

Insults??? Well, on the street you could punch the fscker, here you can't so
you have two options, you can ignore and get on with your life or you can
insult back and get on with your life.

You can not have freedom in slices, it comes with "the bad" and "the good".
Why in quotes? Because bad and good are very relative and subjective things.

Do I have the right to be an arsehole - yes, I do!
Do you have the same right - yes, you do!
Do you have the right to ignore me - yes, you do!
Do you have the right to insult me back - yes, you do!
Are we all different - yes, we are!
Can we all live in peace - no, we can't, it's a utopia!

Do you think that me or others care about you not appreciating insults, I
don't think so. Maybe some feel sorry but some don't, some might object and
get angry but some just don't care of find it funny or amusing

Welcome to the real free world with lots of different people!

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AJ tempted the fates in alt.os.linux.slackware
by rushing in here and proclaiming the following to be true:

> I agree. Linux is a do it your self thing. Find your own answer for your
> own set up and your own liking thing.

On this, we agree.

> It is the insult and flaming which is not appreciated.

To whom?
You?

It comes with the territory-
Especially on something so "rough and wild" as Usenet.

As has been (more patiently than i would have) explained to you,
repeatedly, the groups 'mood' tends to reflect that of the original
querant. If a person comes here and asks a question, politely, and shows
that they aren't simply interested in a "handout" by demonstrating that
they've done a bit of research beforehand, they're almost certainly going
to get a favorabble response.

If, on the othehand, all they do is pisss and moan about why they aren't
gettting a free lunch, well then, that's all the incentive needed to poke
fun at 'em a bit.

In the end, it's all just words.

Stop acting like some kinda wanna-be "martyr", rallying the "troops" to do
'battle" with _your_ /perceived/ "enemies" and I'll bet you find things
much more to your likings around here.

Then again, I'm still going to be a fucking grump.

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Molchun wrote:

> Do I have the right to be an arsehole - yes, I do!

Do You have to be an arsehole - no, You don't.

> Do you have the same right - yes, you do!
> Do you have the right to ignore me - yes, you do!

right, I also get entertained reading lots of the posts.

> Do you have the right to insult me back - yes, you do!

Do I have to insult you back- no I don't.

> Are we all different - yes, we are!

Thanks god for that otherwise it'll be a very boring world, life.

> Can we all live in peace - no, we can't, it's a utopia!

Yes we can if we just drop some of our prejudices or we can try. Once there
was a civil war in this United States. Look at Europe, EC and the trend
towards Unification, where they always used to fight amongst each other.

> Do you think that me or others care about you not appreciating insults, I
> don't think so.

I do not care. I don't care much for arrogant "arsehole"s either. This
isn't nice. This is not macho. This does not make your dick look bigger for
those who are not happy with their penis size. I am just voicing my
disapproval. It does not matter if anybody cares or not. Call me idealist,
naive, nice or whatever .

> Maybe some feel sorry but some don't, some might object
> and get angry but some just don't care of find it funny or amusing

or whatever, It is just more fun here than watching TV, besides I've got a
nice playlist here going on xmms and practicing some of my C-programming
skills

> Welcome to the real free world with lots of different people!

some south and texas people suck though,

+Cibao+ wrote:

> Stop acting like some kinda wanna-be "martyr", rallying the "troops" to do
> 'battle" with your perceived "enemies" and I'll bet you find things
> much more to your likings around here.

my liking with you and the likes of you? No thanks. I'll pass. Don't need
it. I'd still hang out here though. I enjoy reading good majority of posts
and I would help others when appropriate and when I can.

> Then again, I'm still going to be a fucking grump. \

I know. That's why I do not want to be part of your circle of friends.

Thanks for the fair warning though.

AJ wrote:

> Molchun wrote:
>
>> Do I have the right to be an arsehole - yes, I do!
>
> Do You have to be an arsehole - no, You don't.

You don't seem to be abler to grasp it.
Nobody has to do anything in this virtual world.
And if somebody wants to be an arsehole they simply *can*.

>> Do you have the same right - yes, you do!
>> Do you have the right to ignore me - yes, you do!
>
> right, I also get entertained reading lots of the posts.

Well, I'm happy for you.

>> Do you have the right to insult me back - yes, you do!
>
> Do I have to insult you back- no I don't.

What you have and don't have to do is up to you to decide.
What you decide is right or not right is your personal subjective opinion
with which I simply agree or disagree.

>> Are we all different - yes, we are!
>
> Thanks god for that otherwise it'll be a very boring world, life.

Here you go.

>> Can we all live in peace - no, we can't, it's a utopia!
>
> Yes we can if we just drop some of our prejudices or we can try. Once

This is *not* enough, unfortunately, and against human nature.
Living in utopical peace of yours would wipe out natural selection hence
progress in the human world and will lead to extinction in the animal
world.
I'm not saying we have to kill each other (although it's part of the package
too). There are all sorts of methods to pressure and inforce your opinion,
ten centuries ago we killed now it's not necessery anymore since there are
other ways: low, economical sunctions etc. Although US seems to practice
old methods together with new.

> there was a civil war in this United States. Look at Europe, EC and the
> trend towards Unification, where they always used to fight amongst each
> other.

That's economical and nothing to do with living in peace.

>> Do you think that me or others care about you not appreciating insults, I
>> don't think so.
>
> I do not care. I don't care much for arrogant "arsehole"s either. This

Exactly my point.

> isn't nice. This is not macho. This does not make your dick look bigger

Things like "nice" and "not nice" are very subjective things.
What nice for you might not be nice for somebody else.

>> Welcome to the real free world with lots of different people!
>
> some south and texas people suck though,

Who are those?

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AJ@dev.null.invalid wrote :

> Look at Europe, EC and the trend towards Unification, where they
> always used to fight amongst each other.

Fuck EC, if we had to sacrifice democracy to get peace I think that I
would rather prefer the war.
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Molchun <molchun@removebluerealm.co.uk> wrote:
> AJ wrote:

> > Molchun wrote:
> >
> >> Do I have the right to be an arsehole - yes, I do!
> >
> > Do You have to be an arsehole - no, You don't.

> You don't seem to be abler to grasp it.
> Nobody has to do anything in this virtual world.
> And if somebody wants to be an arsehole they simply *can*.

We know that. You are still posting, after all.

> >> Do you have the same right - yes, you do!
> >> Do you have the right to ignore me - yes, you do!
> >
> > right, I also get entertained reading lots of the posts.

> Well, I'm happy for you.

That's great. But nobody cares about your happiness. Even your
mother grimaces at the sound of your name. Molchun - now if there
ever was a troll name, there it is...

> >> Do you have the right to insult me back - yes, you do!
> >
> > Do I have to insult you back- no I don't.

> What you have and don't have to do is up to you to decide. What
> you decide is right or not right is your personal subjective
> opinion with which I simply agree or disagree.

But nobody cares whether you agree or disagree because nobody has
any respect for your opinion. You don't have a unique point of
view. Your opinions are shaped by the prevailing mindset of the
common man and whatever is mediocre or mundane is what you espouse.
Nobody cares about what you say.

> This is *not* enough, unfortunately, and against human nature.
> Living in utopical peace of yours would wipe out natural
> selection hence progress in the human world and will lead to
> extinction in the animal world.

What kind of simplistic world view is this? Utopical? Some people
think that "progress" is the machine that drives so-called "natural
selection." What do you say to them? Or have you even considered
the ramifications of the terms you throw around?

> I'm not saying we have to kill each other (although it's part of
> the package too). There are all sorts of methods to pressure and
> inforce your opinion, ten centuries ago we killed now it's not
> necessery anymore since there are other ways: low, economical
> sunctions etc. Although US seems to practice old methods together
> with new.

Wow. The history of sociology/law laid out in one paragraph. Law
and economic sanctions predate "10 centuries ago." People are
still killed. What are you trying to say?

G'nite Wanda,

cordially, as always,

rm