In light of the declining signal to noise ratio in this newsgroup,
might it be time to revisit the idea of turning alt.os.linux.slackware
into a moderated group?

Is this even possible? I noticed a Google post that suggested that
turning an unmoderated alt.* heirarchy newsgroup into a moderated one
is all but impossible
(http://groups.google.com/groups?q=al...asy.net&rnum=1)
However, I'm not exactly sure *why* it's not possible?

Googling produces some relevant links:
http://www.swcp.com/~dmckeon/mod-faq.html
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/mod-archives/
http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/mod-pitfalls.html

I, for one, would be willing to volunteer (yes, I mostly lurk) as part
of a moderator team. Anyone else? It seems to me that it's a good way
to keep down the trolling and cross-posting, as long as it doesn't
degrade to sending 'read the FAQ' messages to declined posters....

I remember seeing a thread about this around Christmas, but it
appeared to die w/o resolution?

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Portmerion wrote:

| In light of the declining signal to noise ratio in this newsgroup,
| might it be time to revisit the idea of turning alt.os.linux.slackware
| into a moderated group?
|

I'd be against a moderated group personally, just doesn't seem right in
the wild west of the alt. hierarchy.

Liberal use of regular expressions and killfile keeps the signal ratio
up here.

Billy

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Portmerion <portmerion23@hotmail.com> says...

>Is this even possible?

No. No unmoderated alt.* newsgroup has ever become moderated.
Unlike the big-8, there is no mechanism to do it that the
newsservers will recognize.

A new moderated newsgroup would have to be created. Anyone can
do that if it's an alt.* newsgroup. Then comes the hard part;
convincing the users of alt.os.linux.slackware to move to the
newly created alt.os.linux.slackware.moderated.

If anyone chooses to do this, I suggest using the S.T.U.M.P.
Robomoderator Program. http://www.algebra.com/~ichudov/stump/


--
Guy Macon, Electronics Engineer & Project Manager for hire.
Remember Doc Brown from the _Back to the Future_ movies? Do you
have an "impossible" engineering project that only someone like
Doc Brown can solve? My resume is at http://www.guymacon.com/

Billy Watt <newsspam@billywatt.plus.com> wrote:
>
> I'd be against a moderated group personally, just doesn't seem right in
> the wild west of the alt. hierarchy.
>

I agree. Plus the newsgroup looks different from year to year although
it has been downhill since the slackware.com forums shut down.

- Kurt

Billy Watt wrote :

> Liberal use of regular expressions and killfile keeps the signal ratio
> up here.

Same here, and it seems like the storm has passed. Today I only sees the
usual kills of this groups Canadian nitwit.
--
Thomas O.

This area is designed to become quite warm during normal operation.

Thomas Overgaard <thover@post2.tele.dk> says...

>it seems like the storm has passed. Today I only sees the
>usual kills of this groups Canadian nitwit.

Whenever one of the abusers misses a day of posting, they all
do. That's because they are likely to all be one person.

This theory is strengthened by the fact that the abuser in all
of his different identities falsely believes that some of the
non-abusing posters are really the same person. It seems that
the concept that there may be someone in this world who, as a
matter of principle, refuses to tell lies is something that he
simply cannot wrap his mind around.


--
Guy Macon, Electronics Engineer & Project Manager for hire.
Remember Doc Brown from the _Back to the Future_ movies? Do you
have an "impossible" engineering project that only someone like
Doc Brown can solve? My resume is at http://www.guymacon.com/

Guy Macon wrote :
>
> Whenever one of the abusers misses a day of posting, they all
> do. That's because they are likely to all be one person.
>
I just took a look at the group at groups google to see what actually
happen. I can see that my dizum filter blocked the start of it all, so
all I saw was the crossposted replys and it actually did look like one
of the usual attacks by juvenile flamers.

But it looks like your right, just one man with a dizum account tried to
start a flamewar by crossposting all the crap. Naturally very few took
the bait, and it didn't help the bastard that he has a spell malfunction
because lot of the crosspostings vanished into misspelled groups.
--
Thomas O.

This area is designed to become quite warm during normal operation.

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:53:01 -0700, Guy Macon wrote:

>>Is this even possible?

>A new moderated newsgroup would have to be created.

If no one makes a moderated group if we cannot moderate a.o.l.s, we can
have weekly or monthly postings of certain users' killfiles.

I'm personally very interested in seeing what some of the veterans' score
files look like.

Naota Hashimoto
--
naSota@tPampabay.rAr.cMom - > (remove 'S P A M')

On 6 Apr 2004 17:37:46 -0700, Portmerion <portmerion23@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> In light of the declining signal to noise ratio in this newsgroup,
> might it be time to revisit the idea of turning alt.os.linux.slackware
> into a moderated group?
>
> Is this even possible? I noticed a Google post that suggested that
> turning an unmoderated alt.* heirarchy newsgroup into a moderated one
> is all but impossible
> (http://groups.google.com/groups?q=al...asy.net&rnum=1)
> However, I'm not exactly sure *why* it's not possible?
>
> Googling produces some relevant links:
> http://www.swcp.com/~dmckeon/mod-faq.html
> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/mod-archives/
> http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/mod-pitfalls.html
>
> I, for one, would be willing to volunteer (yes, I mostly lurk) as part
> of a moderator team. Anyone else? It seems to me that it's a good way
> to keep down the trolling and cross-posting, as long as it doesn't
> degrade to sending 'read the FAQ' messages to declined posters....
>
> I remember seeing a thread about this around Christmas, but it
> appeared to die w/o resolution?

The group would implode: The ratpack of thugs that hassles every newcomer
and anyone who disagrees with them would pressure the moderators to
expel anyone they didn't like, then, having no one to fight with from
the outside, would turn on themselves and the rest of the group.

(There IS a reason that so many people here feel the need to use
PGP sigs....More than on any other newsgroup I have ever seen,
by far.)


They'd for sure work like crazy to get one or more of their cronies
on the moderation panel.


AC

Naota <see@the.signature> wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:53:01 -0700, Guy Macon wrote:

> >>Is this even possible?

> >A new moderated newsgroup would have to be created.

> If no one makes a moderated group if we cannot moderate a.o.l.s, we can
> have weekly or monthly postings of certain users' killfiles.

> I'm personally very interested in seeing what some of the veterans' score
> files look like.

Not doable. Most of the "veterans" lie about who is in their
supposed killfiles.

cordially, as always,

rm