On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 17:47:52 +0000, Joost Kremers wrote:

> Kenneth wrote:
>> Again, there are no hidden files in Linux.
>
> you're a purist. the common usage is that dot-files are 'hidden files',
> because a bare ls without options does not show them. you're like the
> language purist who claims that split infinitives are "wrong", while half
> the world uses them.

Been using Slackware 10 years and had the same reaction
when I read the original post. "WHAT hidden files."

Never heard them called that. They are dot files and
though the term comes from DOS, the DOS hidden files
are actually invisible to the user, whereas the dot files
are plain to see right there in front of yer mug.

There are no hidden files in UNIX.

Widgeteye@widgets.com wrote :

> Never heard them called that. They are dot files and
> though the term comes from DOS, the DOS hidden files
> are actually invisible to the user, whereas the dot files
> are plain to see right there in front of yer mug.

In Linux dot files are hidden because programmers accept that dot files
are hidden.

In DOS files with the hidden attribute set are hidden because
programmers accept that files with the hidden attribute set are hidden.

Its all about conventions.
--
Thomas O.

This area is designed to become quite warm during normal operation.

On 2004-04-19, Thomas Overgaard <thover@post2.tele.dk> wrote:
>
> In Linux dot files are hidden because programmers accept that dot files
> are hidden.

How, where? There is no allowance in Linux, programming or otherwise, to
account for hidden linux file system files

run stat against any dot file and you will never see hidden files reported, try
man fstat, a primary C function for reading files in a directory, midway
thru....nothing about hidden files....just regular files,
directories, links sockets etc.

What is so difficult? A group of apps running in Linux that do not display
dot files, by default, does not make for hidden files in Linux, even man ls (
the prog most people refer to) does not mention hidden files, it calls them
dot files.

What is this fascination for hidden files in Linux?

And, what does it mean if a prog does display dot files by default?

>
> In DOS files with the hidden attribute set are hidden because
> programmers accept that files with the hidden attribute set are hidden.
>
> Its all about conventions.

No...it about reality.

ken

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On 2004-04-19, Kenneth <Kenneth@pickone.anyone> wrote:
> On 2004-04-19, Thomas Overgaard <thover@post2.tele.dk> wrote:
>>
>> Its all about conventions.
>
> No...it about reality.

Conventions *are* reality.

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Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> wrote:

> Conventions *are* reality

Please, Keith, don't bother. You simply can't argue with a pedant.
Trust me, I'm one of them

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In alt.os.linux.slackware, George Georgakis dared to utter,
> You simply can't argue with a pedant.

Yes you can! Come off that bullshit! :-)

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Kenneth <Kenneth@pickone.anyone> wrote:
> And, what does it mean if a prog does display dot files by default?

A lot of Dos/Windows programs display hidden files or even dirs too.
On my old system even plain "dir" does (because the autoexec sets the
dircmd=/a/l environment string).

I admit that Unix in general does NOT have the "attribute" hidden,
but as shells, wildcards etc DO skip . files by default, they are
often hidden for the user.
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On 2004-04-19, George Georgakis <geeg@tripleg.GO.AWAY.SPAMMERS.net.au> wrote:
>
> Please, Keith, don't bother. You simply can't argue with a pedant.
> Trust me, I'm one of them

Sure I can argue with them! I just can't change their minds.

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On 2004-04-19, George Georgakis <geeg@tripleg.GO.AWAY.SPAMMERS.net.au> wrote:
>
> Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> wrote:
>
>> Conventions *are* reality
>
> Please, Keith, don't bother. You simply can't argue with a pedant.
> Trust me, I'm one of them
>

Ouch...

ken