brent wrote:

> I know alot of you guys are sysadmins,
>
> I was wondering if you had any preferences with website design software.
>
> I'm looking for ease of use etc. I'd prefer something linux based, as
> I'll problobly be running the site with apache. However, for a
> proffesional package it'll problobly have to be something like front page,

Frontpage is good for intranets where all users have IE, but it is too IE
specific for the internet.

> as most of the linux software availible is for hand-coders.


Another alternative to pure hand coding: Download good templates and modify
them; glish.com, bluerobot.com, meyerweb.com, and realworldstyle.com's
templates come to mind. Download tidy from w3.org to keep your beginning
efforts under control. Use any text editor, preferably with syntax
highlighting. Modify only one thing at a time, and check the results with
your browser. You will begin to understand what'sgoing on very quickly,
and will begin to understand why special editors can just get in the way.
--
cheers, m

On 2004-05-11, /dev/rob0 <rob0@gmx.co.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 11 May 2004 14:05:44 -0500, brent wrote:
>> I know alot of you guys are sysadmins,
>
> Some of us, for sure.
>
>> I was wondering if you had any preferences with website design software.
>
> "mcedit index.html" and a good online HTML reference.
>
>> as most of the linux software availible is for hand-coders.
>
> I think that's the audience you're more likely to reach here. I don't
> know where to suggest that you take this where it might be on topic,
> but I'm sure you'd do better in almost any other distro's newsgroup.
>
> FWIW, bluefish is very good for professionals, but I presume you're
> wanting something for pointy-clicky artistic non-computer people.

I have been using bluefish along with vi, which works fine. I create the
page first in bluefish, then make changes usually using vi (or bluefish if
I feel in the mood).

What I'd really like is if the editor within bluefish itself was vi, or
at least had a lot of vi commands. That would be neat.

brent wrote:
> I know alot of you guys are sysadmins,
>
> I was wondering if you had any preferences with website design software.
>
> I'm looking for ease of use etc. I'd prefer something linux based, as
> I'll problobly be running the site with apache. However, for a
> proffesional package it'll problobly have to be something like front page,
> as most of the linux software availible is for hand-coders.

I don't know whether or not it's already been suggested, but NVU
(www.nvu.com) is pretty good as far as WYSIWYG on Linux goes. It's
still VERY new, but they have good developers and, IMHO, it's of usable
quality now.

Susan

On Tue, 11 May 2004 22:16:04 +0100,
Fred Emmott <fred87@users.sf.net> wrote:

[ WYSIWYG editor ]
> OpenOffice.Org Writer for Web.

There's also Mozilla's Composer.

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Mark Hill <usenet@mark.ukfsn.org>
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> Fred Emmott <fred87@users.sf.net> wrote:
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> [ WYSIWYG editor ]
>> OpenOffice.Org Writer for Web.
>
> There's also Mozilla's Composer.
>
true, forgot about that...
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brent wrote:

> I know alot of you guys are sysadmins,
>
> I was wondering if you had any preferences with website design software.
>
> I'm looking for ease of use etc. I'd prefer something linux based, as
> I'll problobly be running the site with apache. However, for a
> proffesional package it'll problobly have to be something like front page,
> as most of the linux software availible is for hand-coders.

Quanta Plus in KDE looks interesting, but I haven't played with it much,
yet.

I also like Arachnophilia, http://www.arachnoid.com/arachnophilia

--John

IBM Websphere is Dreamweaverish.
NVU is a spin off of Mozilla Composer that will hopefully be further
developed.

I'm not a big WSYWIG editor fan. They can't "guess" what I want done
or how I want something done. By hand is the easiest.

Personally I use Quanta+, never used the new VPL editor portion of it
though. It doesn't support CSS...

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On 2004-05-11, brent <blah@blah.com> wrote:

> I was wondering if you had any preferences with website design software.

I use Quanta +, which is very much like Homesite. It's not a wysiwyg, drag
n' drop, type program, but it does have automatic cursor menus for tag
options, which is real handy.

nb

[apologies for the delay; I got busy and couldn't keep up here this
week.]

On Tue, 11 May 2004 20:17:27 +0000, Realto Margarino wrote:
>> "mcedit index.html" and a good online HTML reference.
>
> Do you really think mcedit is powerful enough? It's probably the
> easiest editor to use for quick and dirty stuff but I like vim for
> doing serious work. You can't open two files at the same time on a
> split screen for one thing.

You make a good point. However, vim doesn't do well for me because I
have never bothered to learn the details. I only know a bare minimum of
vi commands. I'm sure that vim (and emacs) pay off for those who invest
the time to learn them; I just have never had the need to do so.

I can make a lot of things happen in mc. My workaround for the two
files thing is simple: 2 mc's on tabs in konsole. Ctrl-F and Shift-F5
acts as an effective shared clipboard among multiple instances. The F4
search-and-replace function is quite useful. I don't doubt it's less
powerful than what can be done in vi/vim/emacs, but it's good enough
for my kind of work (shell scripting, configuration files.)

Different tools better suit different forms of writing. I heard Robin
Miller (roblimo of newsforge) speak at a LUG meeting once, and for his
sort of writing ... journalism, and not necessarily HTML ... he said
*bluefish* was his editor of choice! (How's that for getting this back
around to topic, sort of?
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