Just sell some pictures of yourself and your little sister naked. That's
legal
in Russia, isn't it?

<alena123@mail15.com> wrote in message
news:1087682249.575528@smtp.tvcom.ru...
> Hello, my name is Alena Simons.
>
> I'm a girl of 19 and I live in Russia. Two years ago my parents divorced
and now I live only with my mother
> and little sister.
> My mother works hard to make both ends meet, she has to take odd jobs at
the moment since she is currently laid off
> from the major one. Besides, she has no specialty, so the wages are always
low and much eaten up by regular bills.
> It was hard to get a loan for my college and I guess it'll be even harder
to pay the debt.
> We are thinking of moving to a cheaper appartments since it's impossible
to pay for this anymore.
> Our total debt reaches $17,058. All we need is that you send us a few
dollars to keep us alive.
> I'm afraid for the future of my sister. She's only 11, but understands
what situation we are in.
> Please, please, help us. Even if you have only some extra cents on your
account, please, do not hesitate to help us.
> We'll be glad to any your help. Thank you for your time.
>
> Our accounts:
>
> E-gold: 1127463 (www.e-gold.com)
> EVOCASH: 142772 (www.evocash.com)

Rich Grise <null@example.net> says...

(snip)

Please don't quote the enire spam. Most users don't see the original
spam because of ISP spam filtering and spam cancelling, so the spammer
hopes that someone will quote the entire spam.

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:58:37 -0700, Guy Macon wrote:

>
> Rich Grise <null@example.net> says...
>
> (snip)
>
> Please don't quote the enire spam. Most users don't see the original
> spam because of ISP spam filtering and spam cancelling, so the spammer
> hopes that someone will quote the entire spam.

And if the original article was cross-posted then continue the
cross-posting or just don't respond at all except with a complaint to the
abuser's ISP.

Did I give any other indications that I was hallucinating when I wrote
this? Because I don't remember writing it. I don't even _talk_ like that!

Thanks,
Rich
(IOW, please double-check attributions, thanks.)

"Guy Macon" <http://www.guymacon.com> wrote in message
news:10dbnicntlb0n68@corp.supernews.com...
>
> Rich Grise <null@example.net> says...
>
> (snip)
>
> Please don't quote the enire spam. Most users don't see the original
> spam because of ISP spam filtering and spam cancelling, so the spammer
> hopes that someone will quote the entire spam.
>

Rich Grise <null@example.net> says...
>
>Did I give any other indications that I was hallucinating when I wrote
>this? Because I don't remember writing it. I don't even _talk_ like that!

Well, *sombody* posted it from [4.11.179.74] and with your Path...

Does someone else have physical access to your computer? Are you
running an unsecured wireless network?

>(IOW, please double-check attributions, thanks.)

I just did. My attribution was correct. You quoted an entire spam
(and top-posted).

Here is a copy of that post (I obfuscated the URLs and bank account
numbers so that this post cannot benefit the spammer they way yours did.)

-------------------------------------------------------------------

Path: supernews.com!64.59.134.4.MISMATCH!pd7cy1no!shaw.c a!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.g iganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net !spamkiller.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!nwrddc02.gnili nk.net.POSTED!dd653b87!not-for-mail
From: "Rich Grise" <null@example.net>
Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.slackware
References: <1087682249.575528@smtp.tvcom.ru>
Subject: Re: wanna do a good thing?
Lines: 33
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409
Message-ID: <4_dBc.14891$Yb1.3612@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 10:50:40 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.11.179.74
X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net
X-Trace: nwrddc02.gnilink.net 1087728640 4.11.179.74 (Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:50:40 EDT)
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:50:40 EDT


Just sell some pictures of yourself and your little sister naked. That's
legal
in Russia, isn't it?

<alena123@[obfuscated].com> wrote in message
news:1087682249.575528@smtp.tvcom.ru...
> Hello, my name is Alena Simons.
>
> I'm a girl of 19 and I live in Russia. Two years ago my parents divorced
and now I live only with my mother
> and little sister.
> My mother works hard to make both ends meet, she has to take odd jobs at
the moment since she is currently laid off
> from the major one. Besides, she has no specialty, so the wages are always
low and much eaten up by regular bills.
> It was hard to get a loan for my college and I guess it'll be even harder
to pay the debt.
> We are thinking of moving to a cheaper appartments since it's impossible
to pay for this anymore.
> Our total debt reaches $17,058. All we need is that you send us a few
dollars to keep us alive.
> I'm afraid for the future of my sister. She's only 11, but understands
what situation we are in.
> Please, please, help us. Even if you have only some extra cents on your
account, please, do not hesitate to help us.
> We'll be glad to any your help. Thank you for your time.
>
> Our accounts:
>
> [obfuscated] (www.[obfuscated].com)
> [obfuscated] (www.[obfuscated].com)

Oh, _that_ spam.

BTW, how does quoting what you're responding to (which you seem
to have done as well) "benefit the spammer?"

And didn't anybody get the joke, for heaven't sakes?

Thanks,
Rich

But I see you've excised (for this response)
"Guy Macon" <http://www.guymacon.com> wrote in message
news:10ddcuva28t958b@corp.supernews.com...
>
> Rich Grise <null@example.net> says...
> >
> >Did I give any other indications that I was hallucinating when I wrote
> >this? Because I don't remember writing it. I don't even _talk_ like that!
>
> Well, *sombody* posted it from [4.11.179.74] and with your Path...
>
> Does someone else have physical access to your computer? Are you
> running an unsecured wireless network?
>
> >(IOW, please double-check attributions, thanks.)
>
> I just did. My attribution was correct. You quoted an entire spam
> (and top-posted).
>

Rich Grise <null@example.net> says...

>Oh, _that_ spam.

You can apologize for saying that I was wrong now...

Yes. That Spam. The one that you quoted in full. The one that you
didn't realize that you had quoted in full because I purposely didn't
quote anything from your post - after all, you keep saying things like
"Yes, but if you're following the thread, you've just read that post."
But you *didn't* just read that post when you replied, did you? You
are quite simply wrong when you make such claims.

>BTW, how does quoting what you're responding to (which you seem
>to have done as well) "benefit the spammer?"

[1] Spammer spams.

[2] Rich Grise quotes spam in full, including where to send the
money and what web page to go to to get more info.

[3] Spam is canceled and filtered by most news servers.

[4] Rich Grise's reply is not canceled or filtered, so the spammer's
message is read by many more people.

When I quoted your post (as a result of you forgetting that you sent
it; how can that be if you "just read that post" as you claim always
happens?) I obfuscated the part that says where to send the money and
what web page to go to to get more info. Thus I, unlike you, did not
advertise the spammer's services.

>And didn't anybody get the joke, for heaven't sakes?

Having someone flame me without cause over what should be a civil
discussion on an issue we disagree about tends to make me less
receptive to that person's jokes.

"Guy Macon" <http://www.guymacon.com> wrote in message
news:10dfpj9ltmun487@corp.supernews.com...
>
> Rich Grise <null@example.net> says...
>
> >Oh, _that_ spam.
>
> You can apologize for saying that I was wrong now...

I'm sorry for saying that you were wrong.

Rich

"Guy Macon" <http://www.guymacon.com> wrote in message

> When I quoted your post (as a result of you forgetting that you sent
> it; how can that be if you "just read that post" as you claim always
> happens?) I obfuscated the part that says where to send the money and
> what web page to go to to get more info. Thus I, unlike you, did not
> advertise the spammer's services.

Now this is just condescending. In your superior wisdom, you're
protecting future readers from seeing a link that you have deemed
that they need to be protected from. Like, you're treating people
like children who don't know to click on a link in an obvious spam.

Now, if you'd said that somehow it triggers some machine-driven
additional spam or something, it might be worth looking into, but
come on.

Sheesh!
Rich

Rich Grise <null@example.net> says...
>
>"Guy Macon" <http://www.guymacon.com> wrote in message
>
>> When I quoted your post (as a result of you forgetting that you sent
>> it; how can that be if you "just read that post" as you claim always
>> happens?) I obfuscated the part that says where to send the money and
>> what web page to go to to get more info. Thus I, unlike you, did not
>> advertise the spammer's services.
>
>Now this is just condescending. In your superior wisdom, you're
>protecting future readers from seeing a link that you have deemed
>that they need to be protected from. Like, you're treating people
>like children who don't know to click on a link in an obvious spam.
>
>Now, if you'd said that somehow it triggers some machine-driven
>additional spam or something, it might be worth looking into, but
>come on.

I apologize if I seemed condescending. That was not my intent.

Yes, I do believe in doing whatever I can to protect others from
being exposed to the advertising that is in most spam. Passing along
that payload does trigger additional spam (I am not sure why you think
that it being machine-driven or not is important). When advertising
works, the advertiser advertises more. When it doesn't, he doesn't.

The fact of the matter is that many people *are* "children who don't
know to click on a link in an obvious spam." If it were not so,
spamming would not be profitable. Alas, it only takes a tiny percent
to make the spam run pay off.