Miguel De Anda <miguel@thedeanda.com> wrote:
> You could do the bit torrent and and just leave your computer on until the
> weekend... you should have them by then and you would also be lending us
> your spare bandwidth, everybody wins!

Actually, I couldn't. The tech support people at my ISP are just
knowledgable enough to be dangerous, but not enough to be considered good.
The service contract explicitly states that service will be terminated if
they detect viruses or illegal filesharing from your machine. They do have
enough knowledge to put up some monitoring tools to watch for such.
Unfortunately, they don't really distinguish legit filesharing from
illegit, they just pull the line. I really don't have the time to a) have
my line disconnected and b) be explaining to them why the traffic was
legit. The later is a particularly distasteful prospect because I'm pretty
sure they won't understand the concept of legitimate filesharing to
distribute free software (they've been pretty dim whenever I've mentioned
I'm running Linux when there's a network issue). I suppose I should
"thank" RIIA and MPA for this, as this clause was new to the contracts
when renewal came up last fall.

"Cichlidiot" <fishlover@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:cbdts5$8po$1@woodrow.ucdavis.edu...
> joe juan <joe_juan44@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Yep - they are screaming under the weights of number of d/l's. Some
> > of the slack mirrors with 10's have already reached their
> > connection limits!!! Thank god for bittorrents - a bit slower than
> > ftp - but what the heck? As long as I can get the iso's I can be a
> > bit patient
>
> And I will practice even more patience, waiting for my subscription CDs to
> arrive in the mail rather than attempting a download. Of course, even if I
> had the CDs right now, I wouldn't have time until this weekend to do
> anything with them. I need to rearrange my LAN, so might as well do it all
> at once. Weekend wiring time! Heh.

I just now ordered the CDs, and thought I'd try BitTorrent - I found
the site, and was a little disappointed that they had Doze, Redmond^H^H^H^H
Hat,
Debian, and source. I suppose compiling from source wouldn't be so bad;
anyway, I tried Windoze, and it tells me, "connecting to peers...", and
shows
no progress.

For a little while, then I get a Red X "Download Error" "Problem connecting
to tracker - HTTP Error -1:
[OK]

But, this is a doze box that's at 10.0.0.199 on my local gateway's eth1,
and the gateway's eth0 is dynamic IP to outside - would the fact that
my connection is going through IP masquerading have anything to do with
this?

Or is it maybe just that it's loaded up?

Thanks,
Rich

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 02:57:13 +0000, Rich Grise wrote:

> "Cichlidiot" <fishlover@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> news:cbdts5$8po$1@woodrow.ucdavis.edu...
>> joe juan <joe_juan44@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > Yep - they are screaming under the weights of number of d/l's. Some
>> > of the slack mirrors with 10's have already reached their
>> > connection limits!!! Thank god for bittorrents - a bit slower than
>> > ftp - but what the heck? As long as I can get the iso's I can be a
>> > bit patient
>>
>> And I will practice even more patience, waiting for my subscription CDs to
>> arrive in the mail rather than attempting a download. Of course, even if I
>> had the CDs right now, I wouldn't have time until this weekend to do
>> anything with them. I need to rearrange my LAN, so might as well do it all
>> at once. Weekend wiring time! Heh.
>
> I just now ordered the CDs, and thought I'd try BitTorrent - I found
> the site, and was a little disappointed that they had Doze, Redmond^H^H^H^H
> Hat,
> Debian, and source. I suppose compiling from source wouldn't be so bad;
> anyway, I tried Windoze, and it tells me, "connecting to peers...", and
> shows
> no progress.
>
> For a little while, then I get a Red X "Download Error" "Problem connecting
> to tracker - HTTP Error -1:
> [OK]

There is a Slackware bitTorrent package in extra you can get off of one of
the mirrors. It's python and a little wierd to use, but I had no problems
downloading disks 1 and 2 last night at the same time.

> But, this is a doze box that's at 10.0.0.199 on my local
gateway's eth1,
> and the gateway's eth0 is dynamic IP to outside - would the fact that my
> connection is going through IP masquerading have anything to do with
> this?
>
> Or is it maybe just that it's loaded up?

Make sure you have incomming access to ports 6881 - 6889 TCP and this
should help.

Tyler

"Tyler M" <electric_insect@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message > On Fri, 25
Jun 2004 02:57:13 +0000, Rich Grise wrote:

>
> There is a Slackware bitTorrent package in extra you can get off of one of
> the mirrors. It's python and a little wierd to use, but I had no problems
> downloading disks 1 and 2 last night at the same time.
>
> > But, this is a doze box that's at 10.0.0.199 on my local
> gateway's eth1,
> > and the gateway's eth0 is dynamic IP to outside - would the fact that my
> > connection is going through IP masquerading have anything to do with
> > this?
> >
> > Or is it maybe just that it's loaded up?
>
> Make sure you have incomming access to ports 6881 - 6889 TCP and this
> should help.

I did a little RTFM, and found out that it's written in python, which
is scripts, and I found out what that "Error connecting to tracker"
is - I have a dynamic IP so I have to find somebody else's tracker
to use.

Any suggestions as to how I do that?

(although the way they're coming in by ftp, I'll probably have the
whole set by tomorrow morning.)

Cheers!
Rich

Cichlidiot wrote:

> Miguel De Anda <miguel@thedeanda.com> wrote:
>> You could do the bit torrent and and just leave your computer on until
>> the weekend... you should have them by then and you would also be lending
>> us your spare bandwidth, everybody wins!
>
> Actually, I couldn't. The tech support people at my ISP are just
> knowledgable enough to be dangerous, but not enough to be considered good.
> The service contract explicitly states that service will be terminated if
> they detect viruses or illegal filesharing from your machine. They do have
> enough knowledge to put up some monitoring tools to watch for such.
> Unfortunately, they don't really distinguish legit filesharing from
> illegit, they just pull the line. I really don't have the time to a) have
> my line disconnected and b) be explaining to them why the traffic was
> legit. The later is a particularly distasteful prospect because I'm pretty
> sure they won't understand the concept of legitimate filesharing to
> distribute free software (they've been pretty dim whenever I've mentioned
> I'm running Linux when there's a network issue). I suppose I should
> "thank" RIIA and MPA for this, as this clause was new to the contracts
> when renewal came up last fall.

OMG! that's just wrong. I'm assuming you don't have any alternatives right?
I'm stuck with cable and I've had it for about 2 months now, and I liked
when I had dsl better but I can't get that now. Its either cable or dial-up
for me.

Rich Grise wrote:

> I just now ordered the CDs, and thought I'd try BitTorrent - I found

I've been using Azureus for a while now and it seems pretty good. It tends
to take up a bit of cpu time but I'm not sure if its because its written in
java or what. The interface is really good and hides itself in your system
tray on kde (might on other wms/desktops too)

Rich Grise wrote:

>>
>> Make sure you have incomming access to ports 6881 - 6889 TCP and this
>> should help.
>
> I did a little RTFM, and found out that it's written in python, which
> is scripts, and I found out what that "Error connecting to tracker"
> is - I have a dynamic IP so I have to find somebody else's tracker
> to use.

yes its all python
no that error is a normal thing that happens when the tracker is under load
or in amrits[1] case due to hardware failure[2]

a suggestion though if you use a NAT gateway and wish to use bt then read up
on the port forwarding issues (peers can push as well as pull data from
each other)

[1] amrit runs the tracker for slackware
[2] everything is working normally now

--
"Our vision is to speed up time, eventually eliminating it."
-- Alex Schure

Miguel De Anda <miguel@thedeanda.com> wrote:
> Cichlidiot wrote:

>> Miguel De Anda <miguel@thedeanda.com> wrote:
>>> You could do the bit torrent and and just leave your computer on until
>>> the weekend... you should have them by then and you would also be lending
>>> us your spare bandwidth, everybody wins!
>>
>> Actually, I couldn't. The tech support people at my ISP are just
>> knowledgable enough to be dangerous, but not enough to be considered good.
>> The service contract explicitly states that service will be terminated if
>> they detect viruses or illegal filesharing from your machine. They do have
>> enough knowledge to put up some monitoring tools to watch for such.
>> Unfortunately, they don't really distinguish legit filesharing from
>> illegit, they just pull the line. I really don't have the time to a) have
>> my line disconnected and b) be explaining to them why the traffic was
>> legit. The later is a particularly distasteful prospect because I'm pretty
>> sure they won't understand the concept of legitimate filesharing to
>> distribute free software (they've been pretty dim whenever I've mentioned
>> I'm running Linux when there's a network issue). I suppose I should
>> "thank" RIIA and MPA for this, as this clause was new to the contracts
>> when renewal came up last fall.

> OMG! that's just wrong. I'm assuming you don't have any alternatives right?
> I'm stuck with cable and I've had it for about 2 months now, and I liked
> when I had dsl better but I can't get that now. Its either cable or dial-up
> for me.

Well, it's a shared T1 line with very few network hogs for $20 a month
through my apartment complex. Now, there is cable modem service in this
town, except the cable company rolled it out without sufficient
infrastructure to support it, so now they're frantically replacing the
whole wiring in the town. Translation: slow before, intermitant outages
now. Not really worth paying more than twice per month for such service.
My former roommates tried DSL, and with as much as they muttered about
downtime and lag, it also doesn't seem worth the cost.

It all boils down to this. Cost vs benefit ratio before last year's
renewal tilted greatly towards sticking with the complex's Internet
access; particularly since the contract does not outlaw servers, so I can
run my MUD on my machine. With the new "file sharing" clause, all it
really impedes with is BitTorrent and I'm patient enough to wait for my
subscription disks, so it still isn't worth paying double or more for
cable or DSL, which could have similar clauses as well. What I really
should have done is taken up the part-time tech support job for the
complex when it came up during winter. Then I'd have the "inside edge" as
it were and could have more time to explain these concepts, or at least
put my machine on the "ignore" list in the monitoring tools, heh.