Cichlidiot <fishlover@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> Oh and lookie, you already got up close and personal with one of
> our resident trolls right here. He tried to act normal in his
> first response to your rave review, but now the true colors
> shine. If you want to save yourself a lot of annoyance Billy,
> learn to ignore any post signed "cordially as always, rm". He has
> a few issues, like greatly disliking PGP and also disliking it
> when we refer newbies to documentation that already have the
> answers to their questions.

I and about 200 other posters dislike pgp although I am more vocal
about it. And I don't mind referring newbies to documentation as
long as it is done without making the newbie feel like an idiot
which many of you seem to think is a fun thing to do.

Most of the pgp trash has been driven off and only the thickest
remain. One in particular, Alan Hicks, takes pride in being, in
his own words, "the most hated regular."

Cichl-idiot is a slackware zealot. Arguing that slackware is the
"best" distro is like arguing that Chocolate ice cream is "better"
than Vanilla. He is a moron and is best ignored, especially when
telling others who to ignore.

Newbies should take an objective look at slackware. Only if you
are willing to admit to slackware's flaws will the product improve.

cordially, as always,

rm

billy nelson wrote:


> So let me just say that I'm really, really glad Slackware isn't called
> "Boggleware" or any other name that wouldn't have inspired me to try it. I
> say that because Slackware is a great distro, an exciting distro.

> 'Course, I'm most likely preaching to the choir here. So I'll shut up now.

Welcome to the group. The HUGE MAJORITY of folks here are friendly and
helpful. However, like some of the other Linux Usenet NGs, we have a handful
who will snarl at you if you ask a question and have not spent three hours
doing research first. And we have a few kooks who are...well just not on
their meds when they are on this board! They are all part of the "mosaic"
that makes up the Slackware NG "community."

As more and more new folks discover Slackware the culture here changes. Some
folks have a problem with that, but most of us don't and welcome it. Slack
"used to be" the distro of the hard-core techie. But in the past 18 months a
lot of guys and gals (like me and you?) have come (and are coming) from
another distro. We know just enough to be dangerous... and we drive some of
the "old guys" to distraction!

But that's OK. Change happens and while some will fight it (and be nasty about
it at times) it's a lost cause. The majority ignore the troglodytes and the
work gets done here. And there are a lot of "old guys" happy to help you
without you having to have read a college level text (i.e. the man pages!)

Welcome. I think (hope) I speak for many (most/some,all?) when I say "we"
value your "membership" and your contributions... be they questions, answers,
or just comments.

Al Canton
Adams-Blake Company, Inc.
JAYA123: "Your office on the web."
http://www.jaya123.com

On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 21:08:01 +0000, Cichlidiot wrote:

> Oh and lookie, you already got up close and personal with one of our
> resident trolls right here. He tried to act normal in his first response
> to your rave review, but now the true colors shine. If you want to save
> yourself a lot of annoyance Billy, learn to ignore any post signed
> "cordially as always, rm". He has a few issues, like greatly disliking PGP
> and also disliking it when we refer newbies to documentation that already
> have the answers to their questions. Since you already have the
> documentation thing down pat, that shouldn't be an issue though

Thanks for the advice

On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 21:37:11 +0100, billy nelson wrote:

> It's just as well I have a thick skin, otherwise I might be running as
> far as possible from Slackware if this is what I can expect from a
> positive post in a Slackware forum. *You* are the worst enemy Slackware
> could have.

Congrats - you just met one of our favorite trolls here in AOLS.
Standard procedure: add him to your killfiles, and ignore.

Old Man <bill@witch.lan> wrote:
> Realto Margarino wrote:

> >> > We
> >> > realize that people who spout the kind of nonsense that you
> >> > just spouted are the worst enemies slackware could have.
> >
> >> *You* are the
> >> worst enemy Slackware could have.
> >
> > Not at all. The worst enemies slackware could have are those who
> > make false and unrealistic claims about it, as you have done.

> No, *you* are. Your turn.

No, I am stumped by the logic of your argument.

cordially,even to geniuses,

rm

billy nelson <bn@nospam.uk> says...

[snip]

Billy, I suggest that youn read this:

How should I react to abusive postings or email?
http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/abusive.html

billy nelson <bn@nospam.uk> wrote:

> > Not at all. The worst enemies slackware could have are those who
> > make false and unrealistic claims about it, as you have done.

> How are they false and unrealistic?

Claiming that slackware is "faster" than other distros is _false_.
More than that, it is meaningless. Distros don't have speed.

Claiming that you learn more about linux from using slackware is
_false_. You learn more about slackware when setting up
slackware.

> So why are you using Slackware? Why not use Lindows or Lycoris?
> You have your reasons, just as I have mine for liking Slackware.
> And if you don't like those reasons, that's your problem.

I use slackware because that is all there was when I started out
and I could never bother learning anything else.

I am trying to do you a favour by pointing these things out to you
and yet you argue with me. Why? Take an objective look at the
software, see it for its good points _and_ its bad points. The
last thing this ng needs is another mindless little zealot.

cordially, as always,

rm

Ori Bernstein <rand_chars@roger.com.removethis> wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 21:37:11 +0100, billy nelson wrote:

> > It's just as well I have a thick skin, otherwise I might be running as
> > far as possible from Slackware if this is what I can expect from a
> > positive post in a Slackware forum. *You* are the worst enemy Slackware
> > could have.

> Congrats - you just met one of our favorite trolls here in AOLS.
> Standard procedure: add him to your killfiles, and ignore.

And that's "troll" as defined as "someone I disagree with."

All I ask is that users take an objective and realistic view of
slackware. And that is _not_ trolling, by any standard.

cordially, as always,

rm

Guy Macon <http://www.guymacon.com> wrote:

> billy nelson <bn@nospam.uk> says...

> [snip]

> Billy, I suggest that youn read this:

> How should I react to abusive postings or email?
> http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/abusive.html

This is advice from a self-described "self-taught engineer."

cordially, as always,

rm

billy nelson wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 19:45:40 +0000, Realto Margarino wrote:
>
>
>>billy nelson <bn@nospam.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I mean, I've been a Linux user for about 6 months but it wasn't
- - - - < snip > - - - - - -
> Last week, I really had no idea what inetd.conf or xinitrc or hosts.deny
> were supposed to do. Now I do. Is that not knowing more about Linux?
>
>
>>>Reading the excellent "Slackware Linux Essentials" manual on
>>>slackware.com and configuring my system has been a truly revelatory
>>>experience,
>>
>>So you've learned how to use a text editor?
>
>
> Is that how you rate the Slackware documentation?
>
>
>
>>
>>cordially, as always,
>
>
> It's just as well I have a thick skin, otherwise I might be running as far
> as possible from Slackware if this is what I can expect from a positive
> post in a Slackware forum. *You* are the worst enemy Slackware could have.
>

Billy:

Just sit back and continue reading this newsgroup here. Pretty soon,
you will form an opinion of who to ignore and who to listen to, when it
comes to opinions, help and just plain ranting. There is good ranting
and then there is bad ranting.......sort them out for yourself.

You could learn a lot more by sticking around and reading other
people's (slackware/linux) problems and the solutions offered than by
observing narcistic opinions of those who are intellectually challanged.

(My two cents, AND your mileage may vary :-) )
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