On 2004-07-20, Lee W <lee@NO.mlists.unassemble.co.SPAM.uk> wrote:


> farmers get an extra hour of daylight to do their work.

I don't understand why people keep attributing DST to farmers. Farmers
don't structure their day by the clock. They work by the sun. When it's
up, they work. When it's down, they don't. Numbers on a clock don't mean a
damn thing.

DST is so there is more daylight latter in the evening so people will stay
out later and spend more money. IOW, DST is for the benefit of merchants.

nb

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In alt.os.linux.slackware, notbob dared to utter,
>> farmers get an extra hour of daylight to do their work.
>
> I don't understand why people keep attributing DST to farmers.

As a farmer, I think I'm most qualified to state that DST is a huge
help to us.

> Farmers
> don't structure their day by the clock. They work by the sun. When it's
> up, they work. When it's down, they don't. Numbers on a clock don't mean a
> damn thing.

Exactly, but everyone else structures their day by the clock. Now, when
the days get shorter, they get shorten on both ends so your mornings
come later and your evenings come sooner. By setting everyone's clock
back an hour in the fall, you effectively give farmers an extra hour in
the morning before everyone else gets their nine to five job started.

For the most part, this isn't an issue, but it is an issue for
churches. By falling back as it were, farmers have a chance to get the
things they simply must do at the beginning of the day done before
having to get dressed and rush to Sunday service.

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It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise,
Than for a man to hear the song of fools.
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On 2004-07-21, Alan Hicks <alan@lizella.netWORK> wrote:

> come later and your evenings come sooner. By setting everyone's clock
> back an hour in the fall, you effectively give farmers an extra hour in
> the morning before everyone else gets their nine to five job started.


That makes sense. OTOH, that's coming off DST and returning to regular
time. Do you realize any benefits going on DST in the Spring?

Looking up Daylight Saving Time on the web reveals much. Many reasons are
given for instituting DST. Energy savings, railroads, two world wars, time
standardization, etc. But, one thing is consistent. It was never about the
farmers. The last change in '86, when DST was extended by about 4 weeks, it
was to give merchants more shopping hours, an extended shopping season. At
least that was the reason given at the time.

nb

On 2004-07-21, Alan Hicks <alan@lizella.netWORK> wrote:

> come later and your evenings come sooner. By setting everyone's clock
> back an hour in the fall, you effectively give farmers an extra hour in
> the morning before everyone else gets their nine to five job started.


That makes sense. OTOH, that's coming off DST and returning to regular
time. Do you realize any benefits going on DST in the Spring?

Looking up Daylight Saving Time on the web reveals much. Many reasons are
given for instituting DST. Energy savings, railroads, two world wars, time
standardization, etc. But, one thing is consistent. It was never about the
farmers. The last change in '86, when DST was extended by about 4 weeks, it
was to give merchants more shopping hours, an extended shopping season. At
least that was the reason given at the time.

nb

On 2004-07-21, Alan Hicks <alan@lizella.netWORK> espoused the following:
>
> In alt.os.linux.slackware, notbob dared to utter,
>>> farmers get an extra hour of daylight to do their work.
>>
>> I don't understand why people keep attributing DST to farmers.
>
> As a farmer, I think I'm most qualified to state that DST is a huge
> help to us.
>
I live in Indiana one of the 2 (last I read anyway) states in the union
that does not observe DST. It comes up in the legislature every few years
and is stopped largely by the farm lobby which is still pretty powerful in
my state. So the farmers in my state are on record as being opposed to
DST.


--
Only trust pipesmoking penguins.

Rich Grise wrote:

> Mark Hill wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:50:41 GMT,
>> Blumf <blumf@hot.mail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Time gentlemen, please! Come on now, drink up.
>>
>> Posted at last orders too. Nice one.
>>
> They shut down at 10 PM over there?

It was sent at 2250 BST. Not sure if Mark's client is correct in using GMT
for time display during the BST part of the year, it's right, yet wrong.
Should all be metric anyway

Blumf

Lee W wrote:

>
> I don't know about the rest but BST has to be the most out-dated concept
> on the planet (The USA has similair doesn't it, DST?). I don't know if
> this is the official answer but I'm sure it was coined up so that the
> farmers get an extra hour of daylight to do their work. Come on its
> 2004, haven't they heard of Flashlights/torches yet?
>

I believe it was originally introduced in wartime because of curfews
applying once it got dark. Changing the clock and allowing people to use
early morning 'daylight' was considered the better option.

The fact that most such people were farmers is what has probably been the
cause of the need for it being attributed to the farming community.

Certainly during WWII we had 'British Double Summer Time' (i.e. 2 hours
ahead of GMT) which I have never heard of in peacetime.

However, that's the UK. Why it was adopted in other places, especially those
that have never had to worry about air raids, is beyond my comprehension.

Blumf wrote:

<snip>
> Should all be metric anyway

How are you going to metricate a twenty-four hour day a sixty minute
hour and a sixty second minute?
--
Two Ravens
"...hit the squirrel..."

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 00:27:32 +0000, notbob wrote:

> On 2004-07-20, Lee W <lee@NO.mlists.unassemble.co.SPAM.uk> wrote:
>> farmers get an extra hour of daylight to do their work.
>
> I don't understand why people keep attributing DST to farmers. Farmers
> don't structure their day by the clock. They work by the sun. When it's
> up, they work. When it's down, they don't. Numbers on a clock don't mean a
> damn thing.
>
> DST is so there is more daylight latter in the evening so people will stay
> out later and spend more money. IOW, DST is for the benefit of merchants.

I seem to recall that DST was started in WWII to save oil/fuel/etc.

--

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.

Two Ravens wrote:

> Blumf wrote:
>
> <snip>
>> Should all be metric anyway
>
> How are you going to metricate a twenty-four hour day a sixty minute
> hour and a sixty second minute?

Second link from google on "metric time" :
http://zapatopi.net/metrictime.html

> 10 metric hours in a day
> 100 metric minutes in a metric hour
> 100 metric seconds in a metric minute

Of course, I'd also demand that we slow down the earth's orbit so we get a
1000 days in a year too, it just wouldn't be right any other way

1 Year = 1 Kiloday = 1 Megaminute
1 Milliyear = 1 Day
1 Microyear = 1 (metric) minute

Beautiful

Blumf