Al C. wrote:

> everyone on the planet knows those lyrics from
> the Doors. If you had a game show and asked the contestants to recite a
> snippit of a lyric from the Beatles, S&G, Airplane, Pink F. Dylan, Doors,
> etc. every contestant would come up with something. I can't think of one
> memorable stanza from anything the Dead has done....

That only proves that the Grateful Dead did not get nearly as much radio
time as the other bands you mention. FYI, the lyrics of Grateful Dead
songs, written almost entirely by Robert Hunter, are legendary among
songwriters.

Jeffrey

Franklin wrote:

> On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 10:03:22 -0700, Jeffrey Froman wrote:
>

> I am 43 and a veteran of perhaps 180 - 200 shows since 1976 to the summer
> Jerry died. I can only say that I miss Dead shows more than anything else


I've never heard Dark Star on the radio. Neither am I a big Grateful Dead
fan but I do like there music and consider if good and some of it even
inspirational. The only reason I have heard Dark Star is through friends
and relatives who are hard core Dead Heads, which is like saying there is
such a thing as a casual Dead Head ;-).

What I am saying is that Dead fans are among the loyal music fans that I
know and when I installed Slackware many years ago for the first time and
saw the prompt root@darkstar:~$ I smiled and was pretty sure I found my
distro. And doesn't take genus to figure out why!


http://members.cox.net/jwblack
http://members.cox.net/yro.yro

On 2004-09-12, Jeffrey Froman <jeffrey@fro.man> wrote:

> The key to the Grateful Dead's success was not their musical virtuosity, but
> rather their ability to create a visceral, emotional, group experience
> during live performances like no other band I've ever seen. To be a part of
> a stadium full of people sharing such incredible focus, purpose, and unity
> of emotional experience is, to vastly understate the case, an extremely
> memorable and moving experience. To fully understand what the Dead were
> able to achieve, one would have had to attend a show or two or three. No
> drugs required.

Now wait a minute! I gotta wade in, here.

I was with you right up to the last sentence. But, to say this "emotional
experience" was anything OTHER than "drugs required" I find hard to believe.

I was never a Dead fan. I like a few of their songs, all studio versions.
I can play Estimated Prophet for hours on end. But, when it comes to
concerts, I don't get it. Granted, I've never been to one. But, in the
spirit of fair play, I listened for many hours as a local radio station
played Dead bootleg recordings (which I'm sure you know they actively
encouraged) for 3 days straight. They SUCKED! They were all so whacked out
on drugs they could barely function as a group. Simple songs like Not Fade
Away were a total disaster. I kept tuning in off and on over the 3 days so
I wouldn't get just one concert. Nope. They were consistent! Even the
songs I like were musical trainwrecks as the drug addled Dead musically
stumbled over each other, voices cracking, timing off, out of tune, cues
missed. My 5th grade orchestra class played with more conviction.

Now, I'm a musician of 40+ years (guitar, bass) and love ALL kinds of music,
even some Dead music. But, I just can't see how anyone not on the same
chemical plane as the Dead ...totally hammered outta their skull!... could
enjoy their live concerts. "Visceral"? "Emotional?" No doubt. Good music?
Not in my book.

nb

On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 02:26:06 +0000, notbob wrote:

> I don't get it. Granted, I've never been to one.

Nothing more needs be said.

;-)

notbob wrote:

> Granted,*I've*never*been*to*one.
> But,*in*the
> spirit of fair play, I listened for many hours as a local radio station
> played Dead bootleg recordings (which I'm sure you know they actively
> encouraged) for 3 days straight.

I wish I could say this was comparable, even to the point of getting the
feel if not intensity. In this case, however, it just isn't. It's like
watching videos of people jumping out of airplanes. Boring on film,
life-altering in person.

> They*SUCKED!

As Franklin points out, the nature of the experiment was that not every show
worked. The ones that did were mind-blowing. As has been shown with other
primates as well, partial reinforcement is the strongest inducement to
frequently repetitive behavior -- maybe part of the reason there weren't
empty seats at Dead shows.


Jeffrey

Michael Black wrote:

> "Al C." (no.spam.acanton@adams-blake.no.spam.com) writes:
>
>>al@darkstar:~$
>>
>>How did I become '@darkstar'? Wife's Slack laptop is "@janetoshiba" but I
>>can't remember how I gave it that name during the install.
>>
>>You Google for 'darkstar' and there are a lot of darkstar Slack installs.
>>Where does it come from?
>>
>
> Patrick is a DeadHead, ie a fan of the Grateful Dead. "Darkstar" is one of
> their pieces, usually performed as a long jam. There was, ironically, a 45
> version released, but first real release was on their 1969 "Live Dead"
> album.
>
> That's the connection. It's not really a surprise that he'd use the name
> for the name of the machine. When I got my first hard drive, for a Mac back
> in 1994, I named the hard drive Darkstar.
>
> Michael
>
>
>>http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/214143
>>says how to fix it. Do I have to reboot?
>>
>>Is it a security risk being 'darkstar'?
>>
>>I assume there is no relation between Slackware and Darkstar Linux of Romania
>>http://www.darkstarlinux.ro/ro/
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>ANC
>>Who had time to do some reserach but didn't get very far!
>>
>>
>
>
>
This is starting to get to be a lengthy thread on the Dead. I liked
their music on occasion but was never much of a concert type since I
tend to lean toward the asocial, anti-crowd scene (outdoors in the
middle of nowhere with a laptop that runs on solar and a satellite link
to keep humans at arms lengh but under observation, now thats livin)

Anyway, didn't think that pat was dead fan, know of the song, but didn't
put it together. Always assumed it was a reference to "Darkstar" movie
(1974? +-). Bunch of the physics/chemistry types I used to hang with
used that reference and others from that flick in our systems and code.

On 2004-09-13, Jeffrey Froman <jeffrey@fro.man> wrote:


> watching videos of people jumping out of airplanes. Boring on film,
> life-altering in person.

Watching videos of the chute fail to open is more than sufficient, thank
you.

nb

On Sunday 12 September 2004 11:40 am, Al C. did deign to grace us with the
following:

> /dev/rob0 wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 08:23:25 -0700, Al C. wrote:
>>> 'pap.' I never understood why they were so popular.... even a cult....
>>> compared to groups that were better and more imaginative. Compared to
>>> the complexity of the music and lyrics by other West coast groups like
>>> the Doors
>>
>> #v+
>> You know that it would be untrue
>> You know that I would be a liar
>> If I were to say to you,
>> "Girl, we couldn't get much higher."
>>
>> Come on baby, light my fire [...]
>> #v-
>>
> Your point is well made, but everyone on the planet knows those lyrics
> from the Doors. If you had a game show and asked the contestants to recite
> a snippit of a lyric from the Beatles,

Goo Goo Goo Joob!

> S&G,

Jesus loves you more than you will know, whoa whoa whoa.

> Airplane,

Remember what the dormouse said: Feed your Head!!

> Pink F.

Welcome to the machine.

> Dylan,

Where have all the flowers gone? I never listened to him, or at least was
never able to discern any actual English words.

> Doors, etc. every contestant would come up with something. I can't think
> of one memorable stanza from anything the Dead has done.... but since I'm
> not a big fan of them, it's understandable. I can hear the tune of Casey
> Jones in my head, but the words don't come. Contrast that to Janis or
> Fleetwood, or whatever.
>
Janis? "freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose," but she's
dead.

I honestly can say that I don't know whether I've ever heard any Grateful
Dead or Fleetwood Mac, and I can assure you that if I did hear some I
wouldn't be able to identify it.

Are they the guys with the long beards who did "Stuck on the train, high
on cocaine," or was that more like ZZ Top?

And is there anybody who doesn't remember where the Doobie Brothers got
their name?

<ego masturbation>
I was present at the coining of the term, "doobie," as applied to a
marihuana cigarette by potheads. The notable thing about the event is
that it took place in a context where there were no narcs, so it wasn't
necessary to hide the fact that we were smoking pot.

Then again, I'm the guy who first said, "knows her elbow from a hole
in the ground", which has made it into mainstream, and "screaming poop
machine," which should have been obvious since forever ago. Lessee, there
was some other thing that I was the first to come up with, but at the
moment I'm kinda more into enjoying my ersatz buzz than studying history.
</ego masturbation>
%-}

Cheers!
Rich



> I'm not a good judge of poetry. But I know what I remember and more often
> than not, good poetry is remembered poetry, and bad poetry is forgotten.
> (Remember, we're talking popular music here, not advertising.... who can
> forget "Winton tastes good... like a cigarette should!")
>
> ANC

On Sunday 12 September 2004 11:29 am, +Alan Hicks+ did deign to grace us
with the following:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> In alt.os.linux.slackware, /dev/rob0 dared to utter,
>> Don't get me wrong, I love the Doors, but do you call those lyrics
>> "complex"? Even great lyricists (I'm thinking Lennon[/McCartney],
>> Bernie Taupin, Paul Simon, but there are many others) are generally
>> writing bad poetry: IOW, without the music it's very weak.
>
> #v+
> Yes I am a pirate,
> 200 years too late.
> The cannons don't thunder,
> There's nothin' to plunder,
> I'm an over 40 victum of fate,
> Arriving too late,
> Arriving too late.
>
> I've done a bit of smugglin',
> I ran my share of grass.
> I made enough money to buy Miami,
> But I pissed it away so fast,
> Never meant to last,
> Never meant to last.
> #v-
>
> A Pirate Looks At Forty -Jimmy Buffet
>
> Now there's some great lyrics.
>
> #v+
> Midnight in Montgomery,
> Silver eagle, lonely road,
> Was on my way to Mobile,
> For a big New Year's Eve show.
>
> Stopped for just a minute,
> To see a friend outside of town.
> With my collar up, I found his name,
> And felt the wind die down.
>
> And a drunk man in a cowboy hat,
> Took me by surprise,
> Wearing shiney boots, a nudie suit,
> And hau-haunted eyes.
>
> He said friend it's good to see you,
> It's nice to know you care.
> Then the wind picked up, and he was gone,
> Or was he ever really there?
> #v-
>
> Midnight in Montgomery -Alan Jackson
>
> There's a couple examples of good lyrics for ya.
>
There was a young man from Nantucket....

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 23:54:56 -0600,
Beowulf <edkchem@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> Anyway, didn't think that pat was dead fan, know of the song, but didn't
> put it together.

Pat is definitely a Dead fan: :-)
<http://www.slackware.com/~volkerdi>

> Always assumed it was a reference to "Darkstar" movie
> (1974? +-).

So did I. For those who don't know of Dark Star the movie, here's an
IMDB link:
<http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069945/>


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