Kiki Novak wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Do you know that feeling? Sometimes you wonder why you stick with Slack...
> when there are all these nice, bells-and-whistles, hi-color-boxed distros
> around. Not that Slack can't have all the colors and bells and whistles,
> but... you know.

Well I am a recent convert to Slack having used RH then Mandrake for
the last seven years. I nearly gave up on it the other day because I
had gotten so used to the hand holding other distros provide. Anyway,
to cut a lon story short, I got my HP printer/scanner copier working,
and I know what I did, why I did it and how it works. That's a much
better feeling than stuff just automagicaly working most but not every
time.

The old adage is true, get RH learn RH, get Mandrake learn Mandrake,
get Slack learn Linux.

Ian

On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 05:33:19 -0700, Mikhail Zotov wrote:

> Kiki Novak <mickey@mouse.com> wrote
in message news:<4148c66e$0$17714$626a14ce@news.free.fr>...
<snip>
>
> http://slackart.linuxpackages.net/in...staslack.j pg
>
> :-)
> Mik.

Here is a derivative for a grub splash screen:
http://www.xmission.com/~ddmayne/images/splash.xpm.gz

Instructions here:
http://www.linuxgazette.com/node/view/142

--
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I said you were cheating. If I draw on you, you'll kill me.
Sundance Kid: There's that possibility.
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0064115/quotes

On 2004-09-16, Joost Kremers <joostkremers@yahoo.com> wrote:
> +Alan Hicks+ wrote:
>>> "ERASING /DEV/HDB"
>>
>> Yeah as I recall you have to do some serious wizardry just to tell SuSE
>> what partition you actually want to install on.
>
> i find that difficult to believe. granted, i haven't used SuSE in a while,
> but they always used to have the option to partition your disk and choose
> the partitions to install on.
>

Have tried suse 9.1. As a first choise, it took my swap
as / and my /home to bee swap.
I don't need a 34GB swap
Had to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config, /etc/sysconfig/keytables.
They have found a bugg in Yast2, sins 8.0-9.1.
It can't handle dependencies, without thrashing the system.
So you have to go commandline, to install manualy.

/Jens
--
Slackware | CRUX PPC
window manager improved

> Do you know that feeling? Sometimes you wonder why you stick with Slack...
> when there are all these nice, bells-and-whistles, hi-color-boxed distros
> around. Not that Slack can't have all the colors and bells and whistles,
> but... you know. Sometimes I'm a bit tired, when having to install it to
> someone, to manually edit ~/.bash_profile and ~/.bashrc, and even vim is
> plain vi out of the box and I have to edit some basic .vimrc otherwise I'll
> go crazy in vi-compatible mode.

Slackware is just the greatest.
It is so close to what actual GNU/Linux ought to be that SuSE appears
downright Windows-ish.

Slackware is fast, Slackware is stable, Slackware is STANDARD CONFORM
(listen up, SuSE....), Slackware is pure.

It's that everything on a pc which is pure point-and-click with colorful
graphics and large buttons (like Win XP) disgusts me - except for K3B,
since I don't have a clue of those cdrecord commands

Slackware is great!

~Mik

--
Top-Bottom Programming never gets you where you wanted to go.
Bottom-Top Programming gets you where you never wanted to go.

while not life:
sleep((sleep.normal_time - 5h)); eat(mode=fast); pc_mainloop()

On 2004-09-15, Kiki Novak <mickey@mouse.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Do you know that feeling? Sometimes you wonder why you stick with Slack...
> when there are all these nice, bells-and-whistles, hi-color-boxed distros
> around. Not that Slack can't have all the colors and bells and whistles,
> but... you know. Sometimes I'm a bit tired, when having to install it to
> someone, to manually edit ~/.bash_profile and ~/.bashrc, and even vim is
> plain vi out of the box and I have to edit some basic .vimrc otherwise I'll
> go crazy in vi-compatible mode.

There comes a time when that all becomes automatic, I think. When you know
exactly what to do, have done it before and found out how you wanted it,
then you may experience this forboding feeling when presented with a GUI
configure screen. WTH is it going to do now?!?

That's when you have more terminals open than applications: Because it
really is easier to just rattle it off CL and be done with it!

> So yesterday I got me a brandnew Suse 9.1 DVD for only 7,50 EUR. OK, the DVD
> didn't want to boot, but what the heck, I only spent about the best part of
> a sunny afternoon finding three working floppies out of a box of about
> three hundred. Then I made some bootdisks, booted on the first one, and
> hey, nice splashscreen. After having chosen my language (french), I had the
> following choices:

<snip apparently typical Suse experience>
>
> So much for SuSE 9.1. Guess I'll rather stick with Slack for the next few
> years. At leastD
>
> Niki Kovacs

This is very close to my one experience with Suse, although it put a
question mark after what it intended to do. I said >>>NO!!!<<<, and it
laconically killed the installation. That was enough to sour me on Suse
permanently.

Choice means having to do it oneself, and that's the aspect of Linux we
enjoy, but there area apparently many users who do not. That it is more
stable, more secure, and much less expensive are major selling points for
users who don't care or want that freedom, which is why Suse, RedHat, etc,
etc, have a nice market to share. We simply are not in that market!

For us, there is Slackware and Debian Gnu/Linux, and three flavors of
Berkeley Unix as well. Something for everyone. OTOH, nothing is free, and
many choose to pay for their ignorance, though they have less choice of how
they do so.
--
Email is wtallman at olypen dot com

Started with SuSE 5.3 about 6years ago. Messed up in any release with
some smaller bugs. Then tried Mandrake. Oh Wonder... won't boot on my
notebook. Switched to redhat but never figured out how to build my own
packages and everything after 7.3 was shit. Then tried Debian but me
is not an "oldie" and do not want to stick with those old packages
and where's the sence of using a stable-tree when u need packages
from unstable?!? Then tried slack and ohh... no nice gui-installer,
but hey! It works! Nice package-format, nice build-scripts, easy to
update and stable (as stable as debian, even with a kde 3.x). Looks
like i found my OS...

DV

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Kiki Novak wrote:

> So much for SuSE 9.1. Guess I'll rather stick with Slack for the next few
> years. At leastD

I like Slackware. But the truth is that, had it not been for SuSE 7.3-9.0,
today I would be using Mac OS X exclusively...

Edafe

http://www.edafe.org/slack.html

Kiki Novak wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Do you know that feeling? Sometimes you wonder why you stick with Slack...
> when there are all these nice, bells-and-whistles, hi-color-boxed distros
> around. Not that Slack can't have all the colors and bells and whistles,
> but... you know. Sometimes I'm a bit tired, when having to install it to
> someone, to manually edit ~/.bash_profile and ~/.bashrc, and even vim is
> plain vi out of the box and I have to edit some basic .vimrc otherwise I'll
> go crazy in vi-compatible mode.
>
> Niki Kovacs

What can we say? I've tried some distros, the world famous Red Hat &&
Fedora, with their strict rules about what should linux be; Mandrake,
with great GUIS for everything but, after some time, signal 11 for
everything; Caixa Magica, a portuguese distro, related to SuSE...
Everything very beautiful in the beginning, but not stable or clear.
Then, i found Collegue linux, i really liked the darn thing, i read
about and found that it's base was slackware, tried the original and
VOILÁ!!! Slackware caught me in it's web. There were times when the
other distros seemed better, i installed them, one day later, slackware
was in the box again... Those poor souls caught in slackware never let
go... Never...

Claudio Silva

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Claudio Silva wrote:
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> There were times when the
> other distros seemed better, i installed them, one day later, slackware
> was in the box again... Those poor souls caught in slackware never let
> go... Never...

"Once you go Slack, you never go back." ;-)


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Lew Pitcher, IT Consultant, Enterprise Application Architecture
Enterprise Technology Solutions, TD Bank Financial Group

(Opinions expressed here are my own, not my employer's)
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Kiki Novak finally wrote on Wednesday 15 September 2004 06:56 pm:

> After a brief hesitation, I chose "New installation", figuring that sooner
> or later I would be greeted by some high-color version of fdisk or cfdisk.
> Red Hat calls that thing disk druid, IIRC. Because there are two other
> Linux installations on my Pentium III, that is 1) Slackware 10.0, and 2)
> Slackware 10.0 (experimental). Two almost identical Slackware setups, the
> one to do work on, the other to fiddle around and make a mess. The two are
> on /dev/hda, partitioned in several slices for /boot, /usr, /var, /tmp,
> and /dev/hdb is for my entire /home on the working Slack.
>
> I hit "Enter" and waited for Disk Druid or whatever to arrive, but all I
> got was:
>
> "ERASING /DEV/HDB"
>
> Fortunately I do some martial arts, so 1) I have rather fast reflexes, and
> 2) I only moderately howled with pain as I banged my head on my desk while
> taking the plunge to rip the power cord from the wall.
>
> After a brief and very heavy suspense, I rebooted on my Slack, and looks
> like I was fast enough. /dev/hdb1 is still there. Phew.
>
> So much for SuSE 9.1. Guess I'll rather stick with Slack for the next few
> years. At leastD
>
> Niki Kovacs

You know, I really like Slack. Been using it for a few months now. It's
becoming my favorite distro because of its leanness and elegance. It
teaches a lot about how Unix, I mean Linux, works (though it seems to be
some sort of merging of V7 and BSD). But I must say, having installed SuSE
8.1, 8.2 and SUSE 9.0 and 9.1 - your experience is the exact opposite of
mine. I honestly can't imagine anything but that YaST did exactly what you
told it to do, whether you were aware of it or not. Granted, when I
install software - especially an operating system - I make no assumptions
about how it installs and read every word on every page to make sure I know
what it's going to do and what my options are. I know that you are no
newbie, you've got two versions of Slackware installed; I'm sure you know
much more than I do. But do you think that maybe it's your amount of
knowledge that may have messed you up? I know sometimes when we think
we really know something about, say, an OS, we just sort of 'do it' without
thinking about it, just assuming we know what it means when in fact you
missed a line/option or two that would have lead us in an entirely
different direction. I personally don't find YaST cryptic. If you could
tell me exactly where you obtained your DVD, I would love to get one and
try it myself. My install of 9.1 was from the Personal ISO from the
website (which booted fine), then an FTP install of everything else I
wanted. I'm just curious. I just can't figure this out - I know how YaST
works, and I believe that you know how systems work. It's just strange.


-jab3