On 2004-09-29, Kiki Novak <mickey@mouse.com> wrote:
> Rich Grise wrote:
>
>> I have essentially the same questions as you, and have only a very vague
>> idea how to go about burning CD-roms - some of the stuff I've found by
>> searching sounds ambiguous or something. I'll post the results of my
>> searching, and it'd be very nice of you to do the same.
>
> After a whole day of searching and ripping my hair out, I found a few
> definite anwers. One of them is: you _have_ to turn on SCSI emulation for
> burning frontends like K3B or XCDroast to work correctly.
Not true. I have been burning CDs using XCDroast using ATAPI for a
while now. You have to remember to specify the drive as ATAPI:x,y,z
instead of just x,y,z however.

> To do this, I just reinstalled from scratch, chose a "scsi.s" kernel,
> appended hdb=ide-scsi hdc=ide-scsi to menu.lst (I use GRUB, but it's
> basically the same with LILO).
Unless you have a scsi system disk, I really doubt you needed to do that.
Is your hard drive an DIE or a SCSI drive?

Cheers.

Jim

Jim Diamond wrote:

> On 2004-09-29, Kiki Novak <mickey@mouse.com> wrote:
>> Rich Grise wrote:
>>
>>> I have essentially the same questions as you, and have only a very vague
>>> idea how to go about burning CD-roms - some of the stuff I've found by
>>> searching sounds ambiguous or something. I'll post the results of my
>>> searching, and it'd be very nice of you to do the same.
>>
>> After a whole day of searching and ripping my hair out, I found a few
>> definite anwers. One of them is: you _have_ to turn on SCSI emulation for
>> burning frontends like K3B or XCDroast to work correctly.
> Not true. I have been burning CDs using XCDroast using ATAPI for a
> while now. You have to remember to specify the drive as ATAPI:x,y,z
> instead of just x,y,z however.

It's not ideal though. Even cdrecord recommends against it now. There's no
DMA support, and IME it's generally buggy.
>
>> To do this, I just reinstalled from scratch, chose a "scsi.s" kernel,
>> appended hdb=ide-scsi hdc=ide-scsi to menu.lst (I use GRUB, but it's
>> basically the same with LILO).
> Unless you have a scsi system disk, I really doubt you needed to do that.
> Is your hard drive an DIE or a SCSI drive?
>
If you read the thread, people have suggested that he should use SCSI
emulation because he can only burn very slowly using the ATAPI interface.
In which case he wants scsi support. Remember, a lot of ATAPI is really
scsi, just layered over IDE.

On 2004-10-05, MikeyD <m_donaghy50@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Jim Diamond wrote:
>
>> On 2004-09-29, Kiki Novak <mickey@mouse.com> wrote:

>>> After a whole day of searching and ripping my hair out, I found a few
>>> definite anwers. One of them is: you _have_ to turn on SCSI emulation for
>>> burning frontends like K3B or XCDroast to work correctly.
>> Not true. I have been burning CDs using XCDroast using ATAPI for a
>> while now. You have to remember to specify the drive as ATAPI:x,y,z
>> instead of just x,y,z however.
> It's not ideal though. Even cdrecord recommends against it now. There's no
> DMA support, and IME it's generally buggy.
In my experience it works flawlessly. The problem with reading
comments like cdrecord's recommendation is that they may stay with the
program long after the problem disappears. The reason I tried using
the ATAPI interface is that I saw a post saying that it was working
fine now.

I tried burning a disk with about 500MB on it using both "SCSI" and
ATAPI. To my surprise, the ATAPI was significantly faster than the
SCSI. Enough faster that I think the "don't use ATAPI" advice is
defunct. Maybe with particular hardware the ATAPI would be slower,
but I was doing this burning with a 2.5 year old system, so it's not
like I have cutting-edge hardware.

>>> To do this, I just reinstalled from scratch, chose a "scsi.s" kernel,
>>> appended hdb=ide-scsi hdc=ide-scsi to menu.lst (I use GRUB, but it's
>>> basically the same with LILO).
>> Unless you have a scsi system disk, I really doubt you needed to do that.
>> Is your hard drive an IDE or a SCSI drive?
> If you read the thread, people have suggested that he should use SCSI
> emulation because he can only burn very slowly using the ATAPI interface.
> In which case he wants scsi support. Remember, a lot of ATAPI is really
> scsi, just layered over IDE.
There are no articles in *this* thread on my news server where people
suggested he should use SCSI emulation. Perhaps you are thinking of
some other thread?

Jim

Jim Diamond wrote:

> On 2004-10-05, MikeyD <m_donaghy50@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Jim Diamond wrote:
>>
>>> On 2004-09-29, Kiki Novak <mickey@mouse.com> wrote:
>
>>>> After a whole day of searching and ripping my hair out, I found a few
>>>> definite anwers. One of them is: you _have_ to turn on SCSI emulation
>>>> for burning frontends like K3B or XCDroast to work correctly.
>>> Not true. I have been burning CDs using XCDroast using ATAPI for a
>>> while now. You have to remember to specify the drive as ATAPI:x,y,z
>>> instead of just x,y,z however.
>> It's not ideal though. Even cdrecord recommends against it now. There's
>> no DMA support, and IME it's generally buggy.
> In my experience it works flawlessly. The problem with reading
> comments like cdrecord's recommendation is that they may stay with the
> program long after the problem disappears. The reason I tried using
> the ATAPI interface is that I saw a post saying that it was working
> fine now.

No, that comment is new with 2.01, not in 2.00.
>
> I tried burning a disk with about 500MB on it using both "SCSI" and
> ATAPI. To my surprise, the ATAPI was significantly faster than the
> SCSI. Enough faster that I think the "don't use ATAPI" advice is
> defunct. Maybe with particular hardware the ATAPI would be slower,
> but I was doing this burning with a 2.5 year old system, so it's not
> like I have cutting-edge hardware.

Did you enable dma with the scsi mode? Try and burn with the same speed? I'm
very surprised if that was the case, as 20x is 20x, the only difference it
makes ime is how many coasters you get.
>
>>>> To do this, I just reinstalled from scratch, chose a "scsi.s" kernel,
>>>> appended hdb=ide-scsi hdc=ide-scsi to menu.lst (I use GRUB, but it's
>>>> basically the same with LILO).
>>> Unless you have a scsi system disk, I really doubt you needed to do
>>> that. Is your hard drive an IDE or a SCSI drive?
>> If you read the thread, people have suggested that he should use SCSI
>> emulation because he can only burn very slowly using the ATAPI interface.
>> In which case he wants scsi support. Remember, a lot of ATAPI is really
>> scsi, just layered over IDE.
> There are no articles in *this* thread on my news server where people
> suggested he should use SCSI emulation. Perhaps you are thinking of
> some other thread?

Yes, but he does make reference to this in the very first post of this
thread.

>Hi,
>
>I'm currently trying to follow MikeyD's advice on my previous post and
>activate SCSI emulation for burning.