Recently, I discoved I couldn't have swaret to check gpg signatures.
So, I wrote on the swaret forum to see what kind of help I could get.

Here's the discussion with a moderator and, then, with the administrator:

Whole thread available at:
http://swaret.sourceforge.net/index....viewtopic&t=69

-----------------------------------

Posted: Sep 21, 2004 - 02:19 PM

I use swaret 1.6.2-1 and tried to get swaret to check the gpg signature.

"swaret --gpg -i" either on a CD or a mirror retourned "DONE", no
problem.

But when I try to update, I get "CORRUPTED" on all files. Anything I'm
missing?

Otherwise, swaret is great... and, for once, the documentation has
been written by somebody with some writing capabilities.

Mr Cottyn contributed more to Slackware than anybody else. Many people
have adopted Slackware because of him and I, for one, would certainly
have moved to another distro if it hadn't been for swaret.

When the /feud/ began, his project was to make Slackware even more
powerful by offering network upgrades.

It's been a long time since we've heard from him and I'm truly worried.

Gilles Pelletier
La Masse Critique
http://www.enter-net.com/~gpelleti

-----------------------------

The moderator, a certain lennard, suggested that I download the key,
then import it with the command:

swaret --gpg -i gpg-key

I did comply but I couldn't figure what difference it would make
since, as I explained in my message, I had no problem importing the
key directly. And, indeed, I still got the same error message afterwards.

lennard then answered:

"Try to remove your /var/swaret directory. (in case of some
caching-thingies and all)

After that update your Swaret, (and update the GPG-KEY again, as
described before) and try an upgrade."

-------------------------

Getting frustrated by this nonsense, I answered:

"Thanks for your "caching-thingies" suggestion, but I don't remember
Cottyn playing caching-thingies.

Just as the preceding, this advice is no advice."

-------------------------

The LinuxSneaker, the administrator, then moved in:

"I think what he was trying to say was in case there was some stale
lock files, but I don't think that would effect the gpg and md5
situation.

I am rewriting the download function, and I will have these assumptions:
md5 is used to check completeness
gpg is used to check security

------------------------------

"md5 is used to check completeness" ??? What the hell is this? Of
course, if a file is incomplete, the md5sum, won't check OK.

But what's all this "assumptions" mumbo-jumbo about? No assumptions
are needed. You plainly need to have md5sum check md5sum and gpg check
signatures. That's it, that's all.

As surely as one and one is two, this kind of nonsense indicates that
Luc Cottyn is not around. The people who are now running the site
are exactly the kind that apparently first got Cottyn infuriated. I
certainly wouldn't be caught dead downloading anything from
swaret.sourceforge.net at the present time, not even from sourceforge,
for that matter.

Sourceforge, where a lot of noise was made around nullities such as
slapt-get, is apparently satisfied with this new state of affairs.
They're glad they got rid of Cottyn, the guy who was apparently so
stupid as to insult people all over the place without even attempting
to hide his IP address.

Patrick Volkerding removed swaret from Slackware 10 without a shade of
a comment. The rumor was Luc Cottyn was labeled "irresponsible". An
"irresponsible" had produced an upgrade tool eons ahead of PV's own
pkgtool.

Just as if I hadn't noticed anything wrong in LinuxSneaker's answer, I
asked one again about Cottyn:

"Thank you for your answer, LinuxSneaker.

As you've noticed, my question was twofold. The second part was
concerning Luc Cottyn.

Is he still participating to the project? Where can he be reached?
What about his project concerning network upgrades?"

-------------------------

I posted my question on Sept. 28 in the morning. As of Oct 2nd, 23h, I
got no answer. Who is Cottyn, where is Cottyn, this guy who was about
to provide Slackware with a network upgrade tool when the /feud/
began, nobody knows, nobody worries. Cottyn was an irresponsible.

And we're talking about a Linux community...

GP

"GP" <gilpel@inverse.nretla.org> wrote in message
news:10lusbdbrvn4v31@corp.supernews.com...
> Recently, I discoved I couldn't have swaret to check gpg signatures.
> So, I wrote on the swaret forum to see what kind of help I could get.
>
> Here's the discussion with a moderator and, then, with the administrator:
>
> Whole thread available at:
> http://swaret.sourceforge.net/index....viewtopic&t=69
>
> -----------------------------------
>
> Posted: Sep 21, 2004 - 02:19 PM
>
> I use swaret 1.6.2-1 and tried to get swaret to check the gpg signature.
>
> "swaret --gpg -i" either on a CD or a mirror retourned "DONE", no
> problem.
>
> But when I try to update, I get "CORRUPTED" on all files. Anything I'm
> missing?
>
> Otherwise, swaret is great... and, for once, the documentation has
> been written by somebody with some writing capabilities.
>
> Mr Cottyn contributed more to Slackware than anybody else. Many people
> have adopted Slackware because of him and I, for one, would certainly
> have moved to another distro if it hadn't been for swaret.
>
> When the /feud/ began, his project was to make Slackware even more
> powerful by offering network upgrades.
>
> It's been a long time since we've heard from him and I'm truly worried.
>
> Gilles Pelletier
> La Masse Critique
> http://www.enter-net.com/~gpelleti
>
> -----------------------------
>
> The moderator, a certain lennard, suggested that I download the key,
> then import it with the command:
>
> swaret --gpg -i gpg-key
>
> I did comply but I couldn't figure what difference it would make
> since, as I explained in my message, I had no problem importing the
> key directly. And, indeed, I still got the same error message afterwards.
>
> lennard then answered:
>
> "Try to remove your /var/swaret directory. (in case of some
> caching-thingies and all)
>
> After that update your Swaret, (and update the GPG-KEY again, as
> described before) and try an upgrade."
>
> -------------------------
>
> Getting frustrated by this nonsense, I answered:
>
> "Thanks for your "caching-thingies" suggestion, but I don't remember
> Cottyn playing caching-thingies.
>
> Just as the preceding, this advice is no advice."
>
> -------------------------
>
> The LinuxSneaker, the administrator, then moved in:
>
> "I think what he was trying to say was in case there was some stale
> lock files, but I don't think that would effect the gpg and md5
> situation.
>
> I am rewriting the download function, and I will have these assumptions:
> md5 is used to check completeness
> gpg is used to check security
>
> ------------------------------
>
> "md5 is used to check completeness" ??? What the hell is this? Of
> course, if a file is incomplete, the md5sum, won't check OK.
>
> But what's all this "assumptions" mumbo-jumbo about? No assumptions
> are needed. You plainly need to have md5sum check md5sum and gpg check
> signatures. That's it, that's all.
>
> As surely as one and one is two, this kind of nonsense indicates that
> Luc Cottyn is not around. The people who are now running the site
> are exactly the kind that apparently first got Cottyn infuriated. I
> certainly wouldn't be caught dead downloading anything from
> swaret.sourceforge.net at the present time, not even from sourceforge,
> for that matter.
>
> Sourceforge, where a lot of noise was made around nullities such as
> slapt-get, is apparently satisfied with this new state of affairs.
> They're glad they got rid of Cottyn, the guy who was apparently so
> stupid as to insult people all over the place without even attempting
> to hide his IP address.
>
> Patrick Volkerding removed swaret from Slackware 10 without a shade of
> a comment. The rumor was Luc Cottyn was labeled "irresponsible". An
> "irresponsible" had produced an upgrade tool eons ahead of PV's own
> pkgtool.
>
> Just as if I hadn't noticed anything wrong in LinuxSneaker's answer, I
> asked one again about Cottyn:
>
> "Thank you for your answer, LinuxSneaker.
>
> As you've noticed, my question was twofold. The second part was
> concerning Luc Cottyn.
>
> Is he still participating to the project? Where can he be reached?
> What about his project concerning network upgrades?"
>
> -------------------------
>
> I posted my question on Sept. 28 in the morning. As of Oct 2nd, 23h, I
> got no answer. Who is Cottyn, where is Cottyn, this guy who was about
> to provide Slackware with a network upgrade tool when the /feud/
> began, nobody knows, nobody worries. Cottyn was an irresponsible.
>
> And we're talking about a Linux community...
>
> GP
>

Impressive speech. Just a waste of time if you ask me.
contact@geticasoftware.ro
sales@geticasoftware.ro

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On 2004-10-04, John Price <contact@geticasoftware.ro> wrote:
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> Impressive speech. Just a waste of time if you ask me.

....and you've just wasted the time of those of us who've killfiled GP as
a ranting usenet kook. Next time, if you want to comment on his
rantings, at least do the rest of us the courtesy of snipping the parts
of his rant not relevant to your reply.

- --keith

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Keith Keller wrote:
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> On 2004-10-04, John Price <contact@geticasoftware.ro> wrote:
>
>> Impressive speech. Just a waste of time if you ask me.
>
>
> ....and you've just wasted the time of those of us who've killfiled GP as
> a ranting usenet kook. Next time, if you want to comment on his
> rantings, at least do the rest of us the courtesy of snipping the parts
> of his rant not relevant to your reply.

Absolutely. Because when Keith Killer sees:

"GP" <gilpel@inverse.nretla.org> wrote in message

he feels compelled to read

Damn troll!

GP

John Price wrote:

> Impressive speech. Just a waste of time if you ask me.

I didn't ask you. I ask people with an opinion, not those merely
uttering whatever stupidity goes through their messed up tweety brain.

GP