+Alan Hicks+ wrote:
> In alt.os.linux.slackware, Joost Kremers dared to utter,
>> i've never really used exposé, TBH i don't find it very intuitive.
>
> I felt the same way until I turned mouse corners on. The corner of the
> screen is the quickest and easiest thing to touch with the mouse, so
> both my right corners make expose show all windows. Upper left shows
> desktop, lower left shows current app only. Very intuitive with just a
> little bit of training.

*everything* becomes "intuitive" with training. ;-)

>> multiple desktops to keep my apps organised: one app per desktop, always
>> the same app on the same desktop, on every machine i work on.
>
> I did that with linux when I started linux but found that it was really
> no different than Alt-tabbing between windows.

IME it's very different. about 90% of my time behind the keyboard is spent
in just four or five apps. with each app fixed on a virtual desktop, and
with shortcut keys Alt+<1..8> to switch to them, i always know exactly
which keys to press to get to a specific app: the location of the app is
fixed, so it's predictable, so i can switch to it without thinking.

this is much quicker than alt-tab, because with alt-tab it is *not*
predictable where in the alt-tab order a specific app is. so you end up
having to look at the app-list and visually search for the desired app,
then hit tab the right number of times. this all requires you to pay
attention, and so it takes time.

and exposé wouldn't change a thing about that, i suspect. you still need to
consciously search for the app you want.

> Wasn't very intuitive
> when I needed to do something out of the ordinary. I'd have a few
> desktops, one for web browser, one for e-mail, one for IM chats, one
> for documents, but what if I needed to use the GIMP or something?

for that i have one empty desktop. on it, i run the programs that i only
use once in a while, keeping them minimised (on linux) or windowless but
active (on OS X; you know, so that the dock shows the icon with the little
black arrowhead). (well, i'm not very strict about this. i may leave an app
open, or open it up on another desktop if it's useful.)

anyway, in the end it all comes down to personal preference, of course.

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> > I switched from KDE with lots of transparency and icon zoom etc. to
> > fluxbox, because I liked the very basic and simple looks (not even icons
> > on the desktop - just perfect!).
>
> Theres no reason to switch from KDE for that. My KDE has no eye-candy at
> all and is without any icons at the desktop.

I bet your KDE still takes about 8 to twelve times the time to start up
as my WM does - no offense ofc

~Mik

PS: let's not be childish, i mean on a comparable machine

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Rich Grise wrote:
> What does "looks a litlle 1337" mean?

It's making fun of "h4x0r" speech, which is practically substituting
letters for numbers and feeling to be a cool hacker about it.
I clearly _not_ fall into this category, which I would like to iterate
very clearly here

~Mik

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Mario Berger wrote :

> I bet your KDE still takes about 8 to twelve times the time to start up
> as my WM does - no offense ofc

Who cares? The advantages is that all the additional stuff that users of
WM's are installing has been integrated in KDE.

BTW. I came across this site with Slackware 10 wallpapers and Slackware
themes for Fluxbox:
<URL: http://f-r-e-d.org/zanimo.html>
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> BTW. I came across this site with Slackware 10 wallpapers and Slackware
> themes for Fluxbox:
> <URL: http://f-r-e-d.org/zanimo.html>

Hey, thanks! I even happen to have one of those wallpapers installed
ATM, tho i didn't know that site :P

~Mik

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Mario Berger wrote:

> http://f-r-e-d.org

too bad they 're not 1600x1200 ;-)
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Arjan Groenemeijer wrote:
> Mario Berger wrote:
> > http://f-r-e-d.org
>
> too bad they 're not 1600x1200 ;-)

With the old monitor I got, I wouldn't want 1600x1200 - or would you
care for eyes being stabbed by 60Hz?

~Mik

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Mario Berger wrote:

> Arjan Groenemeijer wrote:
>> Mario Berger wrote:
>> > http://f-r-e-d.org
>>
>> too bad they 're not 1600x1200 ;-)
>
> With the old monitor I got, I wouldn't want 1600x1200 - or would you
> care for eyes being stabbed by 60Hz?
>
> ~Mik
>

Ok, then I wished it was 800x600x70 up to 1600x1200x85 ;-)
Everybody happy, right?

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Mario Berger wrote:

> I bet your KDE still takes about 8 to twelve times the time to start up
> as my WM does - no offense ofc

Hehe, assuming you ever restart it ... :-)


Jeffrey

Jeffrey Froman wrote:
> Mario Berger wrote:
> > I bet your KDE still takes about 8 to twelve times the time to start up
> > as my WM does - no offense ofc
>
> Hehe, assuming you ever restart it ... :-)

Haha, true! One thing windows users can't even dream of is Linux users'
uptimes :P

~Mik

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