Beauford wrote:

> how do I get a volume control on the task bar (I'm
> using KDE). I managed to get soemthing there - but it just opens up
> the mixer.

If you run "kmix", it should create a small speaker icon in the panel,
which, when left-clicked, shows a volume slider.

> Also, why can't I open up more than one instance of
> Netscape from the menu.

This is a "feature" of Netscape (at least on Linux) that I have never really
understood. There are some ways around it involving special command-line
invocations, but I don't know them offhand.

A tangential suggestion though: You may find that the "mozilla" web browser
(also already installed in your Slackware) is "the same but better" than
Netscape. Switching won't make the problem you describe go away, but you
may see other interface or performance advantages.

Also, KDE comes with Konqueror, and excellent web browser in its own right,
that also acts as a file browser, FTP client, and tons of other cool
functions. I recommend checking it out as an alternative (and you can open
up as many Konqueror windows as you like :-)

Jeffrey

On 2004-11-18, Beauford <beauford@hotpop.com> wrote:
>
> Also, why can't I open up more than one instance of
> Netscape from the menu. When I do I get the profile editor. If I try
> to open up the same profile it says I can't.

Netscape's a little funny that way; so's Mozilla (well, at least the 1.7
that comes with Slackware 10.0). You can use command-line options to
open a new window (search google for 'mozilla remote'). You can also
try the Firefox browser, which at least for me does allow you to call
firefox twice (presumably it simply checks for a running instance and
starts a new window there if it finds one).

> Yes, I can open a new window from within
> Netscape - it's just easier to click on the task menu and open a new
> instance.

It's even easier to use Ctrl-N.

> If you could combine Windows and Linux - now there
> would be an excellent OS.

You're joking, right? I don't think there's anything good about Windows
at all. Now, make OS X's GUI more flexible (in terms of customization),
and I'm listening.

--keith

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> Oh, that. That's the 'Linux Hurdle'. You have to get over that to be allowed
> to use linux. This is especially true of users that come from the Windows
> environment; it was the same with me. It took about one solid month before I
> felt comfortable to know my way around the system. I'm still finding and
> learning things, over a year later.

Haha, 'Linux Hurdle' is a nice one. As to the one year after: Do you
actually ever stop learning Linux? Nah - and that's what's so fun about it.

> Windows lays out everything for you- already done. Which is Ok, but it's kinda
> like when you're little and your mom dresses you; it's all layed out and nice
> & easy, but eventually *you* want that say. Personly, I'd trade a 'cannot open
> shared object file: No such file or directory' for a 'Blah-blah has preformed
> and illegal operation, Windows will now close' any day.

If you google a Linux problem, you have an 70% chance of finding a
solution right away. Some 10% can be solved by searching around, about
5% can be solved by poking around newsgroups. the remaining 10 are a
bitch, tho
Now, google for a _Windows_ problem! First 1.000 hits will be people
saying "I have the X problem!" and others answering "Reinstall!"

> [explanation of shared libs]

Yo d00d yo talking bout l33t .DLL ?!

Well, in that sense - keep on slackin'

~
Mik

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>> Also, why can't I open up more than one instance of
>> Netscape from the menu.
>
> This is a "feature" of Netscape (at least on Linux) that I have never
> really understood. There are some ways around it involving special
> command-line invocations, but I don't know them offhand.

Just install the latest FireFox 1.0 they've handled that.

--
damjan

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:43:18 -0800, Jeffrey Froman <jeffrey@fro.man>
wrote:

>Beauford wrote:
>
>> how do I get a volume control on the task bar (I'm
>> using KDE). I managed to get soemthing there - but it just opens up
>> the mixer.
>
>If you run "kmix", it should create a small speaker icon in the panel,
>which, when left-clicked, shows a volume slider.

That's what I tried, but no slider. It just opens the application. I
checked the boxes in the setup, but same difference.

>> Also, why can't I open up more than one instance of
>> Netscape from the menu.
>
>This is a "feature" of Netscape (at least on Linux) that I have never really
>understood. There are some ways around it involving special command-line
>invocations, but I don't know them offhand.
>
>A tangential suggestion though: You may find that the "mozilla" web browser
>(also already installed in your Slackware) is "the same but better" than
>Netscape. Switching won't make the problem you describe go away, but you
>may see other interface or performance advantages.
>
>Also, KDE comes with Konqueror, and excellent web browser in its own right,
>that also acts as a file browser, FTP client, and tons of other cool
>functions. I recommend checking it out as an alternative (and you can open
>up as many Konqueror windows as you like :-)
>
> Jeffrey

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:53:05 -0800, Keith Keller
<kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> wrote:

>On 2004-11-18, Beauford <beauford@hotpop.com> wrote:
>>
>> Also, why can't I open up more than one instance of
>> Netscape from the menu. When I do I get the profile editor. If I try
>> to open up the same profile it says I can't.
>
>Netscape's a little funny that way; so's Mozilla (well, at least the 1.7
>that comes with Slackware 10.0). You can use command-line options to
>open a new window (search google for 'mozilla remote'). You can also
>try the Firefox browser, which at least for me does allow you to call
>firefox twice (presumably it simply checks for a running instance and
>starts a new window there if it finds one).
>
>> Yes, I can open a new window from within
>> Netscape - it's just easier to click on the task menu and open a new
>> instance.
>
>It's even easier to use Ctrl-N.
>
>> If you could combine Windows and Linux - now there
>> would be an excellent OS.
>
>You're joking, right? I don't think there's anything good about Windows
>at all. Now, make OS X's GUI more flexible (in terms of customization),
>and I'm listening.

No, amazingly I'm not. There are many good things about the layout of
Windows, how you do certain things, etc. It's the internal workings
underneath this that suck. MACS - there's only one mouse button .....
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.


>--keith

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:49:01 +0100, Mario Berger
<no_damned_spam@nospam.no> wrote:

>> Oh, that. That's the 'Linux Hurdle'. You have to get over that to be allowed
>> to use linux. This is especially true of users that come from the Windows
>> environment; it was the same with me. It took about one solid month before I
>> felt comfortable to know my way around the system. I'm still finding and
>> learning things, over a year later.

>Haha, 'Linux Hurdle' is a nice one. As to the one year after: Do you
>actually ever stop learning Linux? Nah - and that's what's so fun about it.
>
>> Windows lays out everything for you- already done. Which is Ok, but it's kinda
>> like when you're little and your mom dresses you; it's all layed out and nice
>> & easy, but eventually *you* want that say. Personly, I'd trade a 'cannot open
>> shared object file: No such file or directory' for a 'Blah-blah has preformed
>> and illegal operation, Windows will now close' any day.
>
>If you google a Linux problem, you have an 70% chance of finding a
>solution right away. Some 10% can be solved by searching around, about
>5% can be solved by poking around newsgroups. the remaining 10 are a
>bitch, tho
>Now, google for a _Windows_ problem! First 1.000 hits will be people
>saying "I have the X problem!" and others answering "Reinstall!"

Actually, no. I have found over the years when searching for any
problem that I find hundreds of other prople asking the same question
and no answers. If I could get 1 out of 20 I'd be doing good. Today is
a good example with trying to get my printer to work. Lots of people
with the same issue, but no answers as to why. Same with my volume
control - no answers. After hours of messing around, I'm still where I
was when I started.

>> [explanation of shared libs]
>
>Yo d00d yo talking bout l33t .DLL ?!
>
>Well, in that sense - keep on slackin'
>
>~
>Mik

On 2004-11-19, Beauford <beauford@hotpop.com> wrote:
> No, amazingly I'm not. There are many good things about the layout of
> Windows, how you do certain things, etc. It's the internal workings
> underneath this that suck.

IMO the Windows GUI sucks, and most Windows apps suck, too. But that's
probably just because I'm accustomed to linux apps.

> MACS - there's only one mouse button .....
> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Yeah, that sucks, but you can get a real 3-button USB mouse and
use it more or less seamlessly in OS X. (And in linux-ppc, too.)

--keith

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On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:58:13 -0500, Beauford wrote:

> Fed up with Windows as most users, I decided to install Slackware 10
> and see how it compared to older versions. Previously I gave up on it
> as my main OS due to too many problems getting things to work and lack
> of quality programs. Well, in just two days I see things haven't
> changed much. I figured with a fairly new version of Slack that I
> would have all the latest versions of various components, but I
> continually get messages saying I need this or that, or this isn't
> compatible with that. Today alone I tried to compile and install 5
> programs and got similar errors like this - make: ***
> [install-recursive] Error 1 or error while loading shared libraries:
> libgd.so.1.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
> directory.
>
> Now I can get around Linux, but I'm not savvy enough to know what all
> these libraries are and what they do.
>
> Any suggestions or comments.

I've recently been using Gentoo on one computer and Ubuntu (a Debian
derivative) on another - and I've found that they don't normally have
problems like that. Ubuntu was derived with the idea of being an uptodate
Debian with regular expected update. I'd recomment you give that a shot.

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:05:50 -0700, ray <ray@zianet.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:58:13 -0500, Beauford wrote:
>
>> Fed up with Windows as most users, I decided to install Slackware 10
>> and see how it compared to older versions. Previously I gave up on it
>> as my main OS due to too many problems getting things to work and lack
>> of quality programs. Well, in just two days I see things haven't
>> changed much. I figured with a fairly new version of Slack that I
>> would have all the latest versions of various components, but I
>> continually get messages saying I need this or that, or this isn't
>> compatible with that. Today alone I tried to compile and install 5
>> programs and got similar errors like this - make: ***
>> [install-recursive] Error 1 or error while loading shared libraries:
>> libgd.so.1.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
>> directory.
>>
>> Now I can get around Linux, but I'm not savvy enough to know what all
>> these libraries are and what they do.
>>
>> Any suggestions or comments.
>
>I've recently been using Gentoo on one computer and Ubuntu (a Debian
>derivative) on another - and I've found that they don't normally have
>problems like that. Ubuntu was derived with the idea of being an uptodate
>Debian with regular expected update. I'd recomment you give that a shot.

I used Gentoo once and then threw the CD off the balcony. It flys
better than it works.......

I've been using Slack for 6 years off and on, but never much paid
attention to any GUI interfaces. I mostly used it for nat, ftp, and
web. This is the first time in years I've delved into using it as my
main OS, and it will be quite a while yet. There are many programs I
use in Windows that I have no idea if equivalents are available for
Linux. I did mange to get a couple of small Windows programs working
under Wine, but I don't think the bigger apps like Photoshop will work
properly.