For those interested in the time it takes Subscription Sets to get to us
in Europe, mine arrived this morning.

I can never work out though, why Slackware comes to England via France,
even though I live in what some may describe as a rural backwater, I am
aware that aeroplanes fly between London and the USA, and I've even
been to Glasgow Airport to meet people coming home from Turkey and seen
Aeroplanes that are carrying passengers from the USA. why do the French
get my Slackware before sending it on to me.
--
Two Ravens
"...hit the squirrel..."

On 2005-02-28, Two Ravens <two-ravens@opera$mail.com> wrote:

> Aeroplanes that are carrying passengers from the USA. why do the French
> get my Slackware before sending it on to me.

There could be many reasons. Perhaps a major air freight distribution
point is in Europe. Maybe the people in France you know of are higher
on the list than you. I didn't get mine till about 4-5 days after
people start posting they'd received theirs and I only live about 20
miles from the store. Don't worry about it. You got yours and Pat
got his. That's what really counts.

nb

Two Ravens (two-ravens@opera$mail.com) writes:
> For those interested in the time it takes Subscription Sets to get to us
> in Europe, mine arrived this morning.
>
> I can never work out though, why Slackware comes to England via France,
> even though I live in what some may describe as a rural backwater, I am
> aware that aeroplanes fly between London and the USA, and I've even
> been to Glasgow Airport to meet people coming home from Turkey and seen
> Aeroplanes that are carrying passengers from the USA. why do the French
> get my Slackware before sending it on to me.

I've gotten datasheets and such from semiconductor manufacturers, and
they've been mailed from Europe, even though I'm in Canada and the companies
were in the US. I get the impression they use a mailing company in
Europe to handle the rest of the world, and never mind that it probably
is simpler to send it directly to Canada.

So perhaps there is a mailing company in France, with the CDROMs sent
to them in bulk via the cheapest shipping route, and once there they
are packaged and mailed out. Maybe this results in them arriving faster,
and without a high shipping cost.

But I know nothing of whether this is really the case, and maybe it's
just a silly oddity.

Michael

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Two Ravens wrote:
> For those interested in the time it takes Subscription Sets to get to us
> in Europe, mine arrived this morning.
>
> I can never work out though, why Slackware comes to England via France,
> even though I live in what some may describe as a rural backwater, I am
> aware that aeroplanes fly between London and the USA, and I've even

Heck. Never mind aeroplanes, /bits/ fly between London and the USA faster than
aeroplanes do.

> been to Glasgow Airport to meet people coming home from Turkey and seen
> Aeroplanes that are carrying passengers from the USA. why do the French
> get my Slackware before sending it on to me.

It's more likely a question of who actually 'presses' the CD set, rather than
how they are shipped. There's no reason that the CD sets need to be 'pressed'
(burned, printed and packaged) in the USA, then shipped to the UK or to France.
The bits can be shipped easier, and a UK or French service can 'press' them into
CDs for delivery.

In fact, I'll bet that's exactly what happens: a publisher in France downloads
the isos and artwork, 'presses' the CD sets, and mails them to all points in
Europe. Convince the publisher to open a UK press, and they'll mail the CDs from
London (or Birmingham, or Glasgow, or Leeds, or wherever). Convince Slackware
Inc. to use a UK publisher and get the same results.

- --
Lew Pitcher
IT Specialist, Enterprise Data Systems,
Enterprise Technology Solutions, TD Bank Financial Group

(Opinions expressed are my own, not my employers')
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Lew Pitcher wrote:

>
> In fact, I'll bet that's exactly what happens: a publisher in France
> downloads the isos and artwork, 'presses' the CD sets, and mails them
> to all points in Europe. Convince the publisher to open a UK press,
> and they'll mail the CDs from London (or Birmingham, or Glasgow, or
> Leeds, or wherever). Convince Slackware Inc. to use a UK publisher and
> get the same results.


That can't be what's happening as the envelope it comes in, (I've kept
the past four for reuse and never found the right thing to fit in
them), they've all got US Postal Service Customs labels on them. They
seem to be going from California to France, then to me. But as they/it
are individually addressed I can only assume that a big bundle goes to
France and then each packet gets posted on, all round Europe

--
Two Ravens
"...hit the squirrel..."

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 14:41:56 -0500, Lew Pitcher wrote:
> It's more likely a question of who actually 'presses' the CD set,
> rather than how they are shipped. There's no reason that the CD sets
> need to be 'pressed' (burned, printed and packaged) in the USA, then
> shipped to the UK or to France. The bits can be shipped easier, and a UK
> or French service can 'press' them into CDs for delivery.
>
> In fact, I'll bet that's exactly what happens: a publisher in France
> downloads the isos and artwork, 'presses' the CD sets, and mails them to
> all points in Europe. Convince the publisher to open a UK press, and
> they'll mail the CDs from London (or Birmingham, or Glasgow, or Leeds,
> or wherever). Convince Slackware Inc. to use a UK publisher and get the
> same results.

And are then sent back to sunny California to be signed by a certain
employee of the Slackware Store, before sending them back to Europe .

(The "US Postal Services Customs Declaration" always reveals the true
origin of a US package.)

-- Daniel

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 17:27:32 +0000, Two Ravens wrote:
> For those interested in the time it takes Subscription Sets to get to us
> in Europe, mine arrived this morning.

It also arrived over here in The Netherlands this morning.

> I can never work out though, why Slackware comes to England via France,

Mine also arrived via France.

-- Daniel

Aha!
So that's why I have'nt got my slack yet. I live in Canada.

WilliamS



>
> I've gotten datasheets and such from semiconductor manufacturers, and
> they've been mailed from Europe, even though I'm in Canada and the
> companies
> were in the US. I get the impression they use a mailing company in
> Europe to handle the rest of the world, and never mind that it probably
> is simpler to send it directly to Canada.
>
> So perhaps there is a mailing company in France, with the CDROMs sent
> to them in bulk via the cheapest shipping route, and once there they
> are packaged and mailed out. Maybe this results in them arriving faster,
> and without a high shipping cost.
>
> But I know nothing of whether this is really the case, and maybe it's
> just a silly oddity.
>
> Michael

Two Ravens <two-ravens@opera$mail.com> wrote:
> That can't be what's happening as the envelope it comes in, (I've kept
> the past four for reuse and never found the right thing to fit in
> them), they've all got US Postal Service Customs labels on them. They
> seem to be going from California to France, then to me. But as they/it
> are individually addressed I can only assume that a big bundle goes to
> France and then each packet gets posted on, all round Europe

Never assume with the US Postal System. This may be less a Slackware thing
and more a postal system thing. It's been increasingly odd as of late. For
example, my mother lives 300 miles south directly on a major interstate,
yet her mail to me first gets sent west on a tiny state highway, then
postmarked (on a different day than she sent it too, which is causing a
lot of anger from the rebate front since the post office silently stopped
postmarking on the day someone dropped stuff in the mail for certain
towns), then sent southeast to LA, then sent north to me... on the SAME
interstate. The mail makes a totally unnecessary couple hundred miles side
trip for some strange reason, and this has only started up recently. It
used to just go straight up the interstate.

And as a side not, like notbob, I just got my CD set a couple days and I
live about 90 miles from the bay area, so there is obviously some
staggering of packages being sent out. At least not everything appears to
be sent on the same day. Or the post office just decided to send it down
to LA before sending it up here and to notbob, who knows these days.

> Never assume with the US Postal System. This may be less a Slackware thing
> and more a postal system thing. It's been increasingly odd as of late. For
> example, my mother lives 300 miles south directly on a major interstate,
> yet her mail to me first gets sent west on a tiny state highway, then
> postmarked (on a different day than she sent it too, which is causing a
> lot of anger from the rebate front since the post office silently stopped
> postmarking on the day someone dropped stuff in the mail for certain
> towns), then sent southeast to LA, then sent north to me... on the SAME
> interstate. The mail makes a totally unnecessary couple hundred miles side
> trip for some strange reason, and this has only started up recently. It
> used to just go straight up the interstate.

Well I got this chap sitting just next to my cubicle and my mail to him
travels all the way around the world and back, just see:
root# traceroute gmail.google.com
traceroute to gmail.google.akadns.net (64.233.171.105), 30 hops max, 38 byte
packets
1 217.16.64.137 (217.16.64.137) 1.010 ms 0.553 ms 0.396 ms
2 217.16.65.129 (217.16.65.129) 0.878 ms 0.834 ms 0.873 ms
3 217.16.66.50 (217.16.66.50) 1.548 ms 1.426 ms 1.517 ms
4 195.26.158.233 (195.26.158.233) 3.538 ms 3.779 ms 3.351 ms
5 195.26.150.68 (195.26.150.68) 1.898 ms 2.876 ms 1.866 ms
6 212.200.23.173 (212.200.23.173) 22.818 ms 15.152 ms 15.459 ms
7 212.200.19.93 (212.200.19.93) 24.841 ms 17.135 ms 24.230 ms
8 t2a5-p10-0.de-fra.eu.bt.net (166.49.148.137) 57.126 ms 35.632 ms
34.934 ms
9 ixp1-ge1-1.de-fra.eu.bt.net (166.49.163.198) 35.533 ms 33.102 ms
48.459 ms
10 de-cix.net.google.com (80.81.192.108) 50.395 ms 47.127 ms 41.226 ms
11 216.239.46.49 (216.239.46.49) 60.374 ms 38.693 ms 46.428 ms
12 216.239.46.16 (216.239.46.16) 144.137 ms 134.294 ms 138.286 ms
13 216.239.48.193 (216.239.48.193) 133.188 ms 141.073 ms 135.557 ms
14 216.239.46.33 (216.239.46.33) 143.774 ms 131.615 ms 130.967 ms
15 216.239.46.53 (216.239.46.53) 147.692 ms 151.095 ms 147.499 ms
16 216.239.46.44 (216.239.46.44) 143.028 ms 141.219 ms 142.459 ms
17 216.239.46.146 (216.239.46.146) 145.857 ms 146.486 ms 146.676 ms
18 216.239.46.78 (216.239.46.78) 149.501 ms 64.233.175.166


Oooo, you were speaking about sans-e-mail

--
damjan