Hi,

When i use vim, changes i make in my crontab entries do not get saved.
Does anyone have seen this before, or have an idea what may be causing
it?

I'm using Slackware 10.0/10.1 with vim-6.3.007-i486-1. Everything works
fine when using elvis. I know i can just edit /var/spool/cron/crontabs/*
by hand, but i'd like to fix this anyway..

Regards,

roel
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Roel van Meer wrote:

> When i use vim, changes i make in my crontab entries do not get saved.
> Does anyone have seen this before, or have an idea what may be causing
> it?

The problem is caused by vims backupcopy setting, which is automatically
changed by set nocompatible. If you have a .vimrc file, set nocompatible
is done automatically, by the way.

set backupcopy=yes -> crontab -e works
set backupcopy=no -> crontab -e does not work
set backupcopy=auto -> crontab -e does not work

Putting "set backupcopy=yes" in either my .vimrc or in the global
/usr/share/vim/vimrc fixes the problem.

YMMV,

Regards,

roel

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Roel van Meer wrote:
> Hi,
>
> When i use vim, changes i make in my crontab entries do not get saved.
> Does anyone have seen this before, or have an idea what may be causing
> it?
>
> I'm using Slackware 10.0/10.1 with vim-6.3.007-i486-1. Everything works
> fine when using elvis. I know i can just edit /var/spool/cron/crontabs/*
> by hand, but i'd like to fix this anyway..

I have the same problem with emacs, so if anyone know a solution for
this editor, I'm also interested.

/Mads
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Dnia 03/10/2005 02:58 PM, Uzytkownik Roel van Meer napisal:
> Hi,
>
> When i use vim, changes i make in my crontab entries do not get saved.
> Does anyone have seen this before, or have an idea what may be causing
> it?

Hi - I also have the same problem.
Setting eg. VISUAL=mcedit works fine and changes are saved correctly.
But, there is (in my situation) something strange. When i run:
crontab -e
as root, changes are not saved,
as normal user - everything is all right.

I also have done 'strace' between 2 users. And there is nothing strange
- no important differences.

I'm running slackware 9.1, 10.0 and current.
Vim - tested on 6.2 and 6.3.007

On 3 of 4 machines vim + crontab works fine.
One of them - not

Strace for normal user is here: http://jacek.dyski.one.pl/cron/jacek.txt
Same for root http://jacek.dyski.one.pl/cron/root.txt
Permissions on all machines are the same, so not here is the problem.

Jacek

Jacek Kalinski wrote in <113Yd.114078$2e4.81519@news.chello.at>:
> Uzytkownik Roel van Meer napisal:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > When i use vim, changes i make in my crontab entries do not get saved.
> > Does anyone have seen this before, or have an idea what may be causing
> > it?
>
> Hi - I also have the same problem.
> Setting eg. VISUAL=mcedit works fine and changes are saved correctly.
> But, there is (in my situation) something strange. When i run:
> crontab -e
> as root, changes are not saved,
> as normal user - everything is all right.
>
> I also have done 'strace' between 2 users. And there is nothing strange
> - no important differences.
>
> I'm running slackware 9.1, 10.0 and current.
> Vim - tested on 6.2 and 6.3.007
>
> On 3 of 4 machines vim + crontab works fine.
> One of them - not

There *must* be a config difference there somewhere...

I've never had that problem. I changed the symfiles in /usr/bin...

/usr/bin 116 :-) ls -l vi*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 Dec 11 2002 vi -> vim
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 Dec 11 2002 view -> elvis
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root bin 936180 Jun 8 2002 vim
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 Dec 11 2002 vimdiff -> vim
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root bin 1068 Jun 8 2002 vimtutor

And all users, including root, have the same .vimrc file (I put it
in /etc/skel):

set incsearch
set ignorecase
set scrolloff=2
set smartcase

And that's it. Everything's as smooth as silk.

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ned@arthur.valhalla.oz (Ned Latham) writes:

> There *must* be a config difference there somewhere...
>


In your .vimrc make sure that you have not got

set nocompatible

and that you have got

set backupcopy=yes


hth

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Dnia 03/11/2005 02:20 PM, U¿ytkownik Ned Latham napisa³:
> There *must* be a config difference there somewhere...

No - there isn't.

> I've never had that problem. I changed the symfiles in /usr/bin...
>
> /usr/bin 116 :-) ls -l vi*
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 Dec 11 2002 vi -> vim
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 Dec 11 2002 view -> elvis
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root bin 936180 Jun 8 2002 vim
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 Dec 11 2002 vimdiff -> vim
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root bin 1068 Jun 8 2002 vimtutor

/usr/bin$ ls -l vi* (from vim 6.3.007)
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 Mar 13 2004 vi -> vim*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root domain 3 Feb 11 14:01 view -> vim*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root bin 1062808 Jun 26 2004 vim*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root domain 3 Feb 11 14:01 vimdiff -> vim*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root bin 1600 Jun 26 2004 vimtutor*

> And all users, including root, have the same .vimrc file (I put it
> in /etc/skel):

Yes - me too. diff between user .vimrc and root has no differance.
:syntax enable
:set backspace=indent,eol,start
:set ruler

I say once more: the same machine - root cannot edit cron (via
crontab+vim), but normal user - can. It is strange.

Jacek

Dnia 03/11/2005 03:11 PM, Uzytkownik Glyn Millington napisal:
> In your .vimrc make sure that you have not got
>
> set nocompatible

No - I havn't it.

> and that you have got
>
> set backupcopy=yes

Yes - I have tried setting this into: yes, no and auto and all of 4
configurations (because 4th is where .vimrc did not have this line set)
does not work.
Normal user still can edit cron, but root cannot.

Jacek

Jacek Kalinski <jacek_kal@go2._NOSPAMPLEASE_.pl> writes:

> Dnia 03/11/2005 03:11 PM, Uzytkownik Glyn Millington napisal:
>> set nocompatible
> No - I havn't it.
>> and that you have got
>> set backupcopy=yes
> Yes - I have tried setting this into: yes, no and auto and all of 4
> configurations (because 4th is where .vimrc did not have this line set)
> does not work.
> Normal user still can edit cron, but root cannot.

Can you edit crontab if you link "vi" to elvis ? ie is the problem with
vim? If it works with elvis and not with vim, can you post your root
..vimrc for us to see please?

atb


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On 2005-03-11, Jacek Kalinski <jacek_kal@go2._NOSPAMPLEASE_.pl> wrote:
> Dnia 03/11/2005 02:20 PM, U¿ytkownik Ned Latham napisa³:
>> There *must* be a config difference there somewhere...
>
> No - there isn't.
>
> I say once more: the same machine - root cannot edit cron (via
> crontab+vim), but normal user - can. It is strange.
>
> Jacek

No help, however.........

I could never get vim to work correctly with crontab, for whatever reason, I
gave up. My solution, use pico.

ken