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When I made a post a few days ago about writing in to Mr. Volkerding
about GNOME, I got a lot of "why" and a few "that's old news" comments.

Regarding the "that's old news" side of things, I don't necesarily spend
all my life keeping track of Slackware news. The first I heard of this
was March 6. In any case, I can't change the past, I can only try to
change the future.

Which brings me to the "why". For those who are at all interested, I've
written an article on why Slackware should keep GNOME. In it I outline
my reasoning and offer two solutions that should also address Mr.
Volkerding's time concerns.

It is posted at:
http://www.excelcia.org/modules.php?... er=0&thold=0
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Gnome IS available for slackware. Just not official. I would not say
"endorsed" but at least suggested by THE MAN himself, so why not let it
lie? I use gnome, and I think this move is a good one. It may just spark
a sense of urgency in the gnome camp..

The main fact I wish to establish is that people are dedicating their
time to bringing Gnome to Slackware, so Slackware users can have a gnome
desktop if they wish, no matter what Pat decides..

Kurt Fitzner (kfitzner at excelcia period org) wrote:

> ...I've written an article on why Slackware should keep
> GNOME.**In*it*I outline my reasoning and offer two solutions that
> should also address Mr. Volkerding's time concerns.
>
> It is posted at:

Why are you telling us? Those who read and post to this newsgroup have
no influence at all over what Goes into the next release of Slackware.
If you want to reach the one person who can make such a decision you
will have to address him directly.

--
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"...hit the squirrel..."

Two Ravens <two-ravens@opera@mail.com> wrote:
> Kurt Fitzner (kfitzner at excelcia period org) wrote:
>
>> ...I've written an article on why Slackware should keep
>> GNOME. In it I outline my reasoning and offer two solutions that
>> should also address Mr. Volkerding's time concerns.
>>
>> It is posted at:
>
> Why are you telling us? Those who read and post to this newsgroup have
> no influence at all over what Goes into the next release of Slackware.

You're an idiot. If enough people say they want gnome Volkerding
can't ignore them.

> If you want to reach the one person who can make such a decision you
> will have to address him directly.

Why don't you bugger off?

cordially, as always,

rm
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Two Ravens wrote:

> Why are you telling us? Those who read and post to this newsgroup have
> no influence at all over what Goes into the next release of Slackware.

I don't think this is the case. Slackware development doesn't occur in
a vacuum. It's driven by user needs just like every project.

> If you want to reach the one person who can make such a decision you
> will have to address him directly.

Precisely. Which is what I am suggesting that everyone who feels that
GNOME should continue to be included in Slackware should do.

Kurt.
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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:29:38 +0000, Kurt Fitzner (kfitzner at excelcia
period org) wrote:

>> If you want to reach the one person who can make such a decision you
>> will have to address him directly.

> Precisely. Which is what I am suggesting that everyone who feels that
> GNOME should continue to be included in Slackware should do.

Have you emailed PV yourself? If so, what was his response?

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On 2005-03-31, Kurt Fitzner (kfitzner at excelcia period org) <spammers@go.to.hell> wrote:

> Which brings me to the "why". For those who are at all interested, I've
> written an article on why Slackware should keep GNOME.

.....and what a steaming, reeking, pile it is! A blow to Slackware's
credibility? Gimme a break. As for "official" or "unofficial"
Slackware support of Gnome, what bunk. If Gnome was worth a damn, it
could stand on it's own and wouldn't require Slack's support. I think
you should aim your next snivel barrage directly at the gnome project.

nb

"Kurt Fitzner (kfitzner at excelcia period org)" <spammers@go.to.hell> wrote:
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> When I made a post a few days ago about writing in to Mr. Volkerding
> about GNOME, I got a lot of "why" and a few "that's old news" comments.
>
> Regarding the "that's old news" side of things, I don't necesarily spend
> all my life keeping track of Slackware news. The first I heard of this
> was March 6. In any case, I can't change the past, I can only try to
> change the future.
>
> Which brings me to the "why". For those who are at all interested, I've
> written an article on why Slackware should keep GNOME. In it I outline
> my reasoning and offer two solutions that should also address Mr.
> Volkerding's time concerns.
>
> It is posted at:
> http://www.excelcia.org/modules.php?... er=0&thold=0

The dropline folks do a great job of packaging gnome for Slackware. I
think Pat did the right thing (from an efficiency standpoint) by
dropping it and letting dropline handle it.

--------------------------------------------
John Bleichert - syborg@earthlink.net
"Conclamatum est, poculatum est"

Kurt Fitzner (kfitzner at excelcia period org) wrote:
> When I made a post a few days ago about writing in to Mr. Volkerding
> about GNOME, I got a lot of "why" and a few "that's old news" comments.
>
> Regarding the "that's old news" side of things, I don't necesarily spend
> all my life keeping track of Slackware news. The first I heard of this
> was March 6. In any case, I can't change the past, I can only try to
> change the future.
>
> Which brings me to the "why". For those who are at all interested, I've
> written an article on why Slackware should keep GNOME. In it I outline
> my reasoning and offer two solutions that should also address Mr.
> Volkerding's time concerns.

I guess you forget that Pat Volkerding is just recovering from an
illness that just almost killed him, like that other poster said a few
days ago, give Pat a break and let Pat do Slackware they way he wants,
there is always Dropline-Gnome or Linuce's build of Gnome, so give it up.

Gnome is a POS, it deserves to die, pull the feeding tube from Gnome and
let that braindead desktop die, I tryed using Gnome and trying to get
the "look & feel" of Gnome to be comfortable was like trying to polish a
turd = no matter what I did Gnome still was shit, Gnome is a waste of
disk space, if the Gnome developers had any good sence they would pick
up the old Gnome-1.4.x source and continue from there, metacity is ok
maybe build Gnome-1.4.x to work with metacity and forget sawfish (or
build to work with both).

GTK2 is fine no problems with that, maybe the Gnome devs should take
their Gnome dependant apps and make them independant of Gnome and
re-release them as simple GTK2 applications.

Besides it looks like xfce-4.x is kicking Gnome's ass.

Kurt Fitzner (kfitzner at excelcia period org) wrote:

> I don't think this is the case.**Slackware*development*doesn't*occur
> in a vacuum.**It's*driven*by*user*needs*just*like*every *project.
>
Once again, there's no point in telling this newsgroup, you'll have to
tell the proprietor
>
> Precisely.**Which*is*what*I*am*suggesting*that*eve ryone*who*feels*that
> GNOME should continue to be included in Slackware should do.

Have you done so yourself yet?

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"...hit the squirrel..."