On Sat, 07 May 2005 23:40:44 -0700, BenneJezzerette wrote:

>>> this, is Linux 2.4.30 is next. Yes it looks official, that PV has made a
>>> move up to the Linux 2.4.30 Kernel and we will see some improvements in
>>> performance.

>> What ? Why ? Because of the kernel ???

> Yes and more, lots of Updates, KDE has a new setting and some other
> things Gxine and many more.

Would you mind explaining how a "new setting" in KDE, "some other things
Gxine", and "lots of Updates" will boost the performance? Also, going
from the .29 to the .30 kernel will not change anything in performance
(either).

--
If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much space.
Linux Registered User #327951

Dan C's fingers wandered over the keyboard and produced:

> On Sat, 07 May 2005 23:40:44 -0700, BenneJezzerette wrote:
>
>>>> this, is Linux 2.4.30 is next. Yes it looks official, that PV has made
>>>> a move up to the Linux 2.4.30 Kernel and we will see some improvements
>>>> in performance.
>
>>> What ? Why ? Because of the kernel ???
>
>> Yes and more, lots of Updates, KDE has a new setting and some other
>> things Gxine and many more.
>
> Would you mind explaining how a "new setting" in KDE, "some other things
> Gxine", and "lots of Updates" will boost the performance? Also, going
> from the .29 to the .30 kernel will not change anything in performance
> (either).
>

Well, do we count downtime or an invaded system as degrading performance?
Your call.

--
HJohnson
( aka ) HuMJohn AT aerosurf DOT net

gregg wrote:

>
> I hope PV refrain from 11 until he deems kernel 2.6 deserves making into
> Slack -release.
>

I believe the 10.1 release was done basically for marketing as well as
revenue reasons. Slackware Linux, Inc.
(http://slackware.com/trademark/trademark.php) should be able to project
with some certainty (given its ten-year history) the amount of revenue that
will result from a new release. There are bills to be paid and my guess is
that about the only time Slackware gets any publicity (or revenue) is when
the company brings out a new release. This is basically Slackware Linux,
Inc.'s method of 'marketing.' "Release early and release often" is a method
a lot of distros use in order to get ink and perhaps a few new "converts."
And it's the same with books, other software, etc. Nothing new here.
Slackware Linux, Inc. is a business and needs to pay its bills.

As noted by several reviewers in the Linux media, there were hardly any
technical reasons for the move from 10.0 to 10.1. My take is that the rest
of the 'industry' was moving to a 2.6 platform and while Slackware Linux,
Inc. decided to continue its 2.4.x standard, the company offered an option
to 2.6. If you read the announcement
(http://slackware.com/announce/10.1.php) of 10.1 you won't find any major
substantive reason for the release of 10.1 other than the 2.6 option. I
believe that Slackware Linux, Inc. released 10.1 for revenue enhancement
purposes and for market positioning and not because of any substantive
advance in technology. While I'm sure there will be some disagreement on
that point, it is moot since no one except the management of the company
knows for sure, no one from the company is speaking publically, and no one
is forced to move from one release to the next; for many users a new
release is free. We tested 10.1 (with 2.6) but decided to stay with 9.1 on
the machines that we have that run Slackware. Neither 10.0 nor 10.1 gave us
enough improvement to justify the cost (and time) for moving to the new
releases.

I don't think Slackware Linux, Inc. will bring out yet another dual-kernel
10.2 release. I don't think the corporation can play that tune twice with
any significant monetary yield or marketing advantage. I think the company
will jump to 11.0 and go 'whole-hog' with 2.6.x and I expect to see this in
late summer or early fall. I think a 2.6/11.0 version is the smart move,
and Slackware Linux, Inc. has shown itself to be a savvy player in the
Linux sector of the software industry.

Al C.

On Sun, 08 May 2005 16:45:58 +0000, Al. C wrote:

> gregg wrote:
>
>>
>> I hope PV refrain from 11 until he deems kernel 2.6 deserves making into
>> Slack -release.
>>
>
> I believe [a lot of pointless bullshit]
>
> Al C.

If you were talking about a distro like Suse, which does not allow for the
upgrade of individual package versions without buying the next release of
the distro, your pointless rant would have some merit. However, since I
can run -current with little effort and no expense (unless I choose) and
the 10.1 release is free as in beer for anyone who wants it, you're just
pissing into the wind, as usual.

Never mind the fact that your last rant was because PV did not market
enough... Please make up you friggin mind - or did you lose that along
with your car keys.

Why don't you go pat your self on the back for your exceptional waste
of bandwidth and be sure not to hurt your arm. God forbid you find
yourself unable to express yourself here, your head might explode.

Franklin wrote:

>> I believe [a lot of pointless bullshit]
..
>
> you're just
> pissing into the wind, as usual.
>
> Please make up you friggin mind - or did you lose that along
> with your car keys.
>
> Why don't you go pat your self on the back for your exceptional waste
> of bandwidth and be sure not to hurt your arm. God forbid you find
> yourself unable to express yourself here, your head might explode.

<sarcasm_intended>
There you go. Another responsable Slackware user posting yet another
reasonable reply void of personal remarks, rudeness, or vulgarity!!!
</sarcasm_intended>

Does Slackware Linux, Inc. have a motto or a slogan? How about "The distro
for people with arrested development"?

I think that the only three people who use Slackware who can express a
thought or opinion in this venue without a nasty personal attack are
Two-Ravens and Lew Pitcher... and sometimes Faux_Pseudo. If there are
others, I don't know what rock they hide behind, but they better stay
hidden because the pack of wild dogs that seek to run this NG will have
them for lunch!

Let's see, how long will it take for Dan C. and nb to bark and whine.
Shouldn't be long now! Pant, pant!

Al C.

Le Sun, 08 May 2005 18:26:15 +0000, Al. C a écrit*:

> I think that the only three people who use Slackware who can express a
> thought or opinion in this venue without a nasty personal attack are
....

Well, from what I've seen on the net you sure can write, though you
seem a bit confused between all your different opinions, I even liked
very much some pages you published and/or blogged, but you may try
and find some time to begin a reading course.

Oh, you were, again, ranting just to get a fresh target !-)

Or is it you didn't spot that mostly you are the one that express
mainly personal attacks, not very nasty for Usenet regulars, just
boring; but you know that :-)

For what reasons you act this way, I can't find enough free time to
give to this research. But, maybe you're taken over by the public
person syndrom, whenever asked a question on any topic not of their
knowledge they just feel obliged to give an answer, whatever it'd be.
Like good old Lorenz who made really interisting studies on comportment
and miserably uttered trash when asked for some human opinion ...

The worst is even that while not asked for a comment you can push here
several paragraphs off your mental floss whithout a warning )

Oh, I know, it's Usenet after all, feel free to come and be heard as
a troll.
Definitely your privilege.

Loki Harfagr wrote:

>
> Oh, I know, it's Usenet after all, feel free to come and be heard as
> a troll.
> Definitely your privilege.

Again, the 'troll thing.' Honestly folks, people who post or comment on
issues that are of interest to them are NOT trolls. Just because you
disagree with someone's position does not mean they are trolling. Indeed,
the whole concept of 'trolling' is kind of silly in a venue that has few
rules and even fewer cultural norms.

I'm INTERESTED in the 'business' of Linux and its distros and I ENJOY the
discourse on such topics with others who have a similar interest. I enjoy
discussing Slackware from the 'framework' of where it fits into the overall
Linux 'market' and how it compares to other distros in the media and the
balance sheet.

And, of course I express some opinions that are contrary to the 'group
think' that Slackware can do no wrong! It's fine for you to post why you
disagree with someone. But it's not fine for you to post "shut the &^%$ up"
to whomever you are disagreeing with.

And labeling everyone you disagree with as 'a troll' is just plain silly.

I ask that you argue your position. But I ask that don't get personal. When
you do, the thread just ends up in a pissing contest and a test of wills. I
think a lot of you need to get a bit of maturity and learn how to disagree
with someone without pissing them off. Here is a hint. Start your post
with: "Your point is well-taken and I understand what you are saying"
instead of "Jane, you ignorant slut!"**

Al C.
** This came from the Ackroid/Curtin Saturday Night Live parody of Sixty
Minutes's Point-Counterpoint. OK, WHO were the (original) two people on 60
Minutes whom the parody were portraying? And for another prize who will be
taking their place this fall in a revival of P-C ?????

On Sun, 08 May 2005 18:26:15 +0000, Al. C wrote:

Yes I'm rude.
So what.

By the way, any reason you didn't quote this:

>If you were talking about a distro like Suse, which does not allow for
>the upgrade of individual package versions without buying the next
>release of the distro, your pointless rant would have some merit.
>However, since I can run -current with little effort and no expense
>(unless I choose) and the 10.1 release is free as in beer for anyone who
>wants it, you're just pissing into the wind, as usual.

Oh that's right, you don't know how to respond when someone points out
that your logic is flawed. You just leave out what you can't deal with.

Or how about this Al:

From this thread:

>I believe the 10.1 release was done basically for marketing as well as
>revenue reasons.

From the thread "Slackware: 12th at Distrowatch":

>Why is any of this important? Why IS IT ABOUT marketshare? It's only
>important and about marketshare to one person, P.V. because if the day
>comes when he can't make a living from Slackware, that's the day
>Slackware goes away.

You seem to be contradicting youself Al. Which is it - "PV is a marketing
slut" or "PV doesn't market enough"? You're confusing me Al. Or maybe
you're just confused. Or maybe you just come here looking for a fight.
Personally, I vote for senile which was the reason for my car keys
comment. But what do I know.

On 2005-05-08, Franklin <Franklin@tower.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 08 May 2005 18:26:15 +0000, Al. C wrote:
>
> Yes I'm rude.
> So what.
>
> By the way, any reason you didn't quote this:
>
>>If you were talking about a distro like Suse, which does not allow for
>>the upgrade of individual package versions without buying the next
>>release of the distro, your pointless rant would have some merit.
>>However, since I can run -current with little effort and no expense
>>(unless I choose) and the 10.1 release is free as in beer for anyone who
>>wants it, you're just pissing into the wind, as usual.
>
> Oh that's right, you don't know how to respond when someone points out
> that your logic is flawed. You just leave out what you can't deal with.
>

ac engages in philisophical arguments, knowing full well, there is no right or
wrong answers, just debatable positions. This is the sum total of his Linux
expertise.

He's a computer expert, yet he's been through three distos in as many years.
He was advised NOT to use slackware, yet he took the leap and now he
complains.

ac is a just another peddler of philisophical positions for which there are
no real answers. It's safe and self validating...no one can be right and no
one can be wrong. It's the perfect middle ground for ac, it's where he's
comfortable and safe.

ken

Franklin wrote:

> On Sun, 08 May 2005 18:26:15 +0000, Al. C wrote:
>
> Yes I'm rude.
> So what.

Yeah, because we ALL KNOW its just about you! What are you? 15? Maybe 18?
Grow up, son.

> Personally, I vote for senile which was the reason for my car keys
> comment. But what do I know.

You know how to be rude. Obviously for you that's enough. But I tell you the
truth. It will not be enough for you to "make it" in the world your
generation will inherit.

You missed it by about 35 years. You would have done fine in Mao's Cultural
Revolution. I'm not sure how you will do in an increasingly globalized and
multi-cultural eco-political society where not everyone will look, act, or
think like you.... and many of whom may be just as rude.

Hmmm. Now that I think of it, this NG is not that different from the
Cultural Revolution.

---
Red Guards (groups of youths who banded themselves together) encouraged all
the youth in China to criticise those who Mao deemed untrustworthy with
regards to the direction he wanted China to take. No-one was safe from
criticism: writers, economists and anyone associated with the man Mao
considered his main rival ? Liu Shao-chi. Anyone who was deemed to have
developed a superior attitude was considered an enemy of the party and
people.
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk...revolution.htm
---

See what I mean? Is the past prologue? You make the call!

Al C.