Hi, all:

I'm running Linux again. This time because of moral issues, instead of just
the geek factor: I think that it's immoral for an informed person about
Free Software and "Trusted Computing" to run anything else. I would be
running Slackware, but AFAIK, it does not run on a PowerPC, as Slackintosh
has been discontinued (I think.) I have installed Debian and I really like
apt-get. It's really easy. A bit *too* easy for my tastes, but it will do
until I get a new PC.

BTW, I'm starting school August the 29th at a local community college to get
my associate's in computer science. Hopefully, I will later transfer
somewhere to get my Bachelor's. This means I will know enough to contribute
to the creation of more Free Software, instead of just configuring it to my
tastes.

I also convinced my boyfriend to get Linux, and he uses Debian as well, so
we help each other out. Maybe later, we'll both be back on Slackware, being
BOZOs with the other great folks.

Hope to hear from you guys soon.

-Morgan

In alt.os.linux.slackware, Morgan Landry dared to utter,
> Hi, all:

Morgan! Good to hear from you! I thought you were missing in action!

> I'm running Linux again. This time because of moral issues, instead of just
> the geek factor: I think that it's immoral for an informed person about
> Free Software and "Trusted Computing" to run anything else.

I'm personally not so much up on the moral issues of free software, but
I'm definately against (agin'it as we say here) "Trusted Computing" as
much as you.

> I would be
> running Slackware, but AFAIK, it does not run on a PowerPC, as Slackintosh
> has been discontinued (I think.)

Yeah Slackintosh is dead. There's a slack-ppc project, but I don't
think it's off the ground yet. Several PPC users here like CRUX, but
it's even more minimalistic than Slackware.

> I have installed Debian and I really like
> apt-get. It's really easy. A bit *too* easy for my tastes, but it will do
> until I get a new PC.

Ewww......

As for a new PC, if you're looking for a laptop, give me a holler. I
might be able to price you one right.

> BTW, I'm starting school August the 29th at a local community college to get
> my associate's in computer science.

Good luck. I dropped out of a community college in their CS stuff.
Was a complete waste of my time, but hopefully not of yours. You're
the kind of person that learns stuff from academia anyhow.

> Hopefully, I will later transfer
> somewhere to get my Bachelor's. This means I will know enough to contribute
> to the creation of more Free Software, instead of just configuring it to my
> tastes.

That'd be great. Don't forget, you've already contributed in some
ways...

http://slackbook.org/html/book-prefa...KNOWLEDGEMENTS

> I also convinced my boyfriend

Ugh..... groan..... you had to go get a boyfriend and didn't even
consider me huh? Typical. Phsssh! :^)

> to get Linux, and he uses Debian as well, so
> we help each other out. Maybe later, we'll both be back on Slackware, being
> BOZOs with the other great folks.

Still holding your place at the annual goat^H^H^H^Htroll sacrifice.

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Than for a man to hear the song of fools.
Ecclesiastes 7:5

On 2005-08-17, +Alan Hicks+ <alan@lizella.netWORK> wrote:

> Yeah Slackintosh is dead. There's a slack-ppc project, but I don't
> think it's off the ground yet. Several PPC users here like CRUX, but
> it's even more minimalistic than Slackware.

Actually, CRUX has more than the last Slackintosh release did,
though compared to Slackware x86 it's definitely stripped down.
I for one heartily recommend CRUX to any PPC folks who like
Slackware.

--keith

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+Alan Hicks+ wrote:

> In alt.os.linux.slackware, Morgan Landry dared to utter,
>> Hi, all:
>
> Morgan! Good to hear from you! I thought you were missing in action!

Nah, I'm not dead, just slow on the uptake. I occasionally read my emails on
the OT list, but usually I'm so behind that I don't utter a response. I
need to read my leftover email that I backed up on the iPod, if it's still
in a readable format on Linux. Hmm. Sounds like a project for later.

> I'm personally not so much up on the moral issues of free software, but
> I'm definately against (agin'it as we say here) "Trusted Computing" as
> much as you.

Well, I don't know. The moral issues of Free Software are pretty simply
summed up in the 4 freedoms:
0: The freedom to run software for any purpose;
1: The freedom to study and alter software to make it work better for you;
2: The freedom to distribute copies of said software;
3: The freedom to release said software for the community's benefit.

I think I got them basically right. Basically, if you agree with those 4
freedoms, you agree with the Free Software Foundation's position on
software. At least, that's how I understood it when I read RMS' book on
http://www.gnu.org.

>
> Yeah Slackintosh is dead. There's a slack-ppc project, but I don't
> think it's off the ground yet. Several PPC users here like CRUX, but
> it's even more minimalistic than Slackware.

I think I'll stick with Debian for the time being.

> Ewww......

Yeah, pretty scary, huh?

> As for a new PC, if you're looking for a laptop, give me a holler. I
> might be able to price you one right.

A laptop *would* be nice...what do you think about, say, the $300-$500
range? I know that's *extremely* cheap for a laptop, but I am not looking
for the newest, hottest model. 20-40 GB hard drive, CD-burner, 128-256 MB
RAM. Working parts, 3 to 6 hours battery life. That would do it for me.

>> BTW, I'm starting school August the 29th at a local community college to
>> get my associate's in computer science.
>
> Good luck. I dropped out of a community college in their CS stuff.
> Was a complete waste of my time, but hopefully not of yours. You're
> the kind of person that learns stuff from academia anyhow.

Yeah, I love school -- except for English literature, that subject is awful.
I'm friends with the Computer Science chairperson on campus, and she said
she'd take extra care to make sure the required classes were available.
Unfortunately, it's a Microsoft campus. I can live with it, for now, as
long as I can develop software in Linux at home.

> Don't forget, you've already contributed in some
> ways...
>
> http://slackbook.org/html/book-prefa...KNOWLEDGEMENTS

Wow. I actually got credit for what little I did? Awesome. You made my day.

>> I also convinced my boyfriend
>
> Ugh..... groan..... you had to go get a boyfriend and didn't even
> consider me huh? Typical. Phsssh! :^)

LOL. He's the same boyfriend I had before I even heard of Slackware or
Linux. We're still going strong. Gonna get married some day. And y'all are
invited to the wedding, whenever it may be.

> Still holding your place at the annual goat^H^H^H^Htroll sacrifice.

I will be there this year, if it hasn't already passed.

Morgan

Morgan Landry wrote:

> Hi, all:
>
> I'm running Linux again. This time because of moral issues, instead of
> just the geek factor: I think that it's immoral for an informed person
> about Free Software and "Trusted Computing" to run anything else.
[snip]

Well, there's also the BSDs, and depending on your viewpoint opensolaris.

Regrads,

--
Fred Emmott
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http://www.slamd64.com

In alt.os.linux.slackware, Morgan Landry dared to utter,
> The moral issues of Free Software are pretty simply
> summed up in the 4 freedoms:
> 0: The freedom to run software for any purpose;
> 1: The freedom to study and alter software to make it work better for you;
> 2: The freedom to distribute copies of said software;
> 3: The freedom to release said software for the community's benefit.

Agreed and understood. I also believe though, that a developer has a
right to release his software under a proprietary license if he so
chooses. I do not, however, believe that a software or hardware
company has the right to tell me what I can and can not do on my
hardware. If Windows Vista has a provision that says I can't alter it
or re-distribute it, that's no big deal to me. If Dell has a license
agreement to the machine I purchase that says I can't run anything but
Windows Vista on it, then I have a problem with it.

>> As for a new PC, if you're looking for a laptop, give me a holler. I
>> might be able to price you one right.
>
> A laptop *would* be nice...what do you think about, say, the $300-$500
> range? I know that's *extremely* cheap for a laptop, but I am not looking
> for the newest, hottest model.

Yeah, that's a little too low for me. Pretty much the cheapest I can
ever get is $700, and that's really bare bones. Most of my white box
laptops are nicer Centrino models. I can do you up right on an AMD64
box though.

> I'm friends with the Computer Science chairperson on campus, and she said
> she'd take extra care to make sure the required classes were available.

That's cool.

> Unfortunately, it's a Microsoft campus. I can live with it, for now, as
> long as I can develop software in Linux at home.

There are no community UNIX colleges that I've ever heard of. Most are
"do this in Visual Basic using the GUI wizard" type places.

>> http://slackbook.org/html/book-prefa...KNOWLEDGEMENTS
>
> Wow. I actually got credit for what little I did? Awesome. You made my day.

;^) I always treat a lady right!

>> Ugh..... groan..... you had to go get a boyfriend and didn't even
>> consider me huh? Typical. Phsssh! :^)
>
> LOL. He's the same boyfriend I had before I even heard of Slackware or
> Linux. We're still going strong. Gonna get married some day. And y'all are
> invited to the wedding, whenever it may be.

I bet I can kick his ass! :^) And are you really sure you want to
invite Hated Regulars and BOZOs to a wedding?!

>> Still holding your place at the annual goat^H^H^H^Htroll sacrifice.
>
> I will be there this year, if it hasn't already passed.

It's at my house, first chance you get to come here without the boy
friend (BOZOs only I'm afraid and I'll have plenty of booze. Let me
know ahead of time so I can go to the Taylor County Breeder & Feeder
Pig & Goat sale.

--
It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise,
Than for a man to hear the song of fools.
Ecclesiastes 7:5

+Alan Hicks+ wrote:

> I also believe though, that a developer has a
> right to release his software under a proprietary license if he so
> chooses.

As long as I have a right not to use the proprietary software, then that's
fine with me. I use proprietary software at work at the library because I
don't have a choice. But at home, it's Linux for me.

> If Windows Vista has a provision that says I can't alter it
> or re-distribute it, that's no big deal to me.

I don't have a problem with following the provisions on a proprietary
license. I don't want to alter or redistribute Windows software either.

> If Dell has a license
> agreement to the machine I purchase that says I can't run anything but
> Windows Vista on it, then I have a problem with it.

Ditto.

>> I can do you up right on an AMD64
> box though.

Sounds good. What are its specs? How can you get such good deals? And what
would I pay for shipping?

> There are no community UNIX colleges that I've ever heard of. Most are
> "do this in Visual Basic using the GUI wizard" type places.

Ugh. I made sure to check that the language we used was a decent,
respectable language, and it is: C++. I think we are using Visual Studio
C++, though. I would have to check. But, what impressed me about the class
is that we're actually going to learn how to produce decent software
design, instead of spaghetti code. That would make the class worth it in my
eyes.

>>> Ugh..... groan..... you had to go get a boyfriend and didn't even
>>> consider me huh? Typical. Phsssh! :^)
>>
>> LOL. He's the same boyfriend I had before I even heard of Slackware or
>> Linux. We're still going strong. Gonna get married some day. And y'all
>> are invited to the wedding, whenever it may be.
>
> I bet I can kick his ass! :^)

You probably could. Mathematicians are not known for their physical prowess.

> And are you really sure you want to
> invite Hated Regulars and BOZOs to a wedding?!

Sure, why not? They can't be any worse than drunk, rowdy Cajuns, geeks, and
rednecks. It's going to be fun.

> It's at my house, first chance you get to come here without the boy
> friend (BOZOs only I'm afraid and I'll have plenty of booze. Let me
> know ahead of time so I can go to the Taylor County Breeder & Feeder
> Pig & Goat sale.

LOL!

Morgan

Morgan Landry wrote:
> Ugh. I made sure to check that the language we used was a decent,
> respectable language, and it is: C++.

you have a funny definition of "decent, respectable language"...

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In alt.os.linux.slackware, Morgan Landry dared to utter,
>> I can do you up right on an AMD64
>> box though.
>
> Sounds good. What are its specs?

Depends on what you want. These days I pretty much only build Athlon64
machines on socket 939 motherboards, so it's easy to upgrade to a
dual-core Athlon64 in the future. IDE or SATA. DVD-RWs are cheap.

> How can you get such good deals?

Through work. We've begun building and selling our own whitebox
machines. We get our hardware from wholesalers and avoid all the
retail stuff.

> And what
> would I pay for shipping?

Depends. I won't ship it without insurance though.

> what impressed me about the class
> is that we're actually going to learn how to produce decent software
> design, instead of spaghetti code. That would make the class worth it in my
> eyes.

Indeed. I've struggled with learning programming several times in the
past. I don't see how anyone really learns that stuff without taking
at least one class.

>> And are you really sure you want to
>> invite Hated Regulars and BOZOs to a wedding?!
>
> Sure, why not? They can't be any worse than drunk, rowdy Cajuns, geeks, and
> rednecks. It's going to be fun.

Except in my case, when I'm a drunk, rowdy, redneck geek. :-)

--
It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise,
Than for a man to hear the song of fools.
Ecclesiastes 7:5

On 2005-08-17, Morgan Landry <morganlandry@gmail.com> wrote:
> +Alan Hicks+ wrote:

> I think I'll stick with Debian for the time being.
>
>> Ewww......

OpenBSD is ported for ppc. It's easy after Slackware.

nb