An observation
This is a discussion on An observation within the Slackware Linux Support forums, part of the Unix Operating Systems category; --> Faux_Pseudo wrote: >Keith wrote: >> Could there be environmental issues that are plaguing your hardware? >> Maybe it's particularly ...
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 Re: An observation Faux_Pseudo wrote: >Keith wrote: >> Could there be environmental issues that are plaguing your hardware? >> Maybe it's particularly hot, dusty, or some other factor that's causing >> you more problems than normal? > > Now there is a thought. I know that hard drives 'breath'. When > looking at a hard drive closely I note the little air filter on them > to let air in/out as they cool down and heat up. What kind of > environmental effect could fit through the best filters ever > made... Hmm... Could my smoking have been causing me to burn through > hard drives? Well, it is the plugging up the filter of the hard drive that the cig smoke will do thus stopping any air flow. Just a thought as I cleaned out a few electronic things and found the stains of tobbaco smoke glued to the insides everywhere. Yeah, I quit, it is a hard battle. --      |
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| Re: An observation On alt.os.linux.slackware, in <RsAYe.1462$OC2.241@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, "ANC" wrote: <body not downloaded> ANC Results 1 - 100 of 181 posts in the last year 2 24hoursupport.helpdesk 2 alt.comp.os.windows-xp 1 alt.comp.periphs.cdr 2 alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus 1 alt.comp.shareware.authors 1 alt.fr.motos.bmw 6 alt.os.linux.gentoo 9 alt.os.linux.mandrake 2 alt.os.linux.redhat 9 alt.os.linux.slackware 31 alt.os.linux.suse 1 alt.os.windows-xp 1 cn.bbs.sport.weiqi 2 comp.os.linux.advocacy 5 comp.os.linux.misc 1 comp.software.shareware.authors 6 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc 2 comp.windows.x.kde 1 ee.auto 1 ee.ehitus.vestlus 4 fr.rec.moto 1 fr.rec.tv.satellite 3 hk.forsale 1 linux.redhat 1 linux.redhat.install 1 microsoft.public.outlook.general 2 rec.models.scale 1 uk.d-i-y This boy is dumb as a brick if he thinks we believe that he's only posted 181 times in the last year. And that this is his first post this year on AOLS. (Just happenned to be in the neighborhood, right?) Bet he's a windoze weenie who's using a forged User-Agent header. (notepad being the greatest of his "hacking" accomplishments) Those posts to COLA are a big clue, too. Sure need some quality trolls around here. The current batch couldn't find their own assholes with a map and pack of hunting dogs. AC -- Homepage: http://home.earthlink.net/~alanconnor/ Fanclub: http://www.pearlgates.net/nanae/kooks/alanconnor.shtml |
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| Re: An observation On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:05:25 -0500, WIdgeteye <None@none.none> wrote: > On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:04:24 +0000, Realto Margarino wrote: > >> Faux_Pseudo <Faux.Pseudo@gmail.com> trolled: >> >> Could you please stop posting, sir? Your .sig is as wild, noisy and >> ugly as your thought process. You are not wanted. >> >> Please stop posting to this group. Find a group which celebrates >> butt-ugly sigs. Find a group which understands why anyone would use >> pgp to verify a name like "Faux_Pseudo." >> >> But please, please, please, bugger off on out of here. You postings >> don't make any sense and your presentation is far and away the >> ugliest on usenet. >> >> You are not wanted. >> >> cordially, as always, >> >> rm > > I like his sig, it's all swirly like clouds on a windy day. > I think we need more like that one. You're just jealous cause yours > isn't as pretty as his. > > Cordially.  > > The multi Alias posting guy.  > > I'll admit, his is bigger than mine ... -- /dTd gpg-key: http://badlands-nwn.com/tbdownloads/dtd-pub-key.asc |
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| Re: An observation Grant wrote: > Hi Karl, > On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:29:21 +1000, a <a@a> wrote: > >>Lol fair enough, I think this is the human interaction Usenet became >>famous for? Forgive me I'm new to newsgroups.. anyways I'd still be >>curious if any non-trolling newsreaders had any thoughts on the power >>shortage being an influence on the start of HD death. > > > Of course, weak power is first suspect. When the obvious answers fail, > time to _really_ think about creating test cases. I had a nasty one a > couple months back, data corruption due to NIC, SATA HDD, disk > controller or what? > > MD5 not as useful to me as diffing good/bad data (not that I knew which > was which) and a pattern emerged: bit 0x20 was failing to be a one, > very occasionally. > > Define a test: the linux-kernel compile / diff took too long, plus I > needed a test that was OS independent, linux or windows. What worked > was copy/compare a .iso image file. Sometimes would get a single byte > error in one of five tries. > > linux: cp, cmp > winxp: copy, fc /b > > Eliminate the suspects: Swapped power supply, OS, disk --> leaving > memory, the shop swapped memory stick for new one, problem gone. > > This box would pass memtest86, and was built new in April. > > In hindsight the clues were occasional kernel source tree corruption, > or a very rare segfault. I use 'cp -al' a lot which makes for a fragile > file system and was blaming 'finger trouble' when source trees went off. > > > > However, the fault you describe reminds me of last time I used ext3 > and getting a lockup with nothing in the logs. > > What kernel you using? Some subtle filesystem interaction bugs were > ironed out in recent months, I assume ext3 is now reliable again. > > > Power supplies do wear out, the ripple current takes its toll on the > main filter capacitors, as does overloading or running at full load. > Open the thing and check if the big filter caps have a domed top, > they supposed to be flat. If the power supply is too small, poor > load regulation will cause things to go wrong, but when I've had > that it was an obvious failure after things warmed up, and removing > a drive resolved the issue. > > Cheers, > Grant. > Hmmm yeah I skipped over most of the personal interaction of some posts, sorry but I gotta study for a Cisco linux test, anyways yeah the latest hd to start clicking is a Western Digital that was heating up a fair bit. Isn't anymore but that's cause I've taken most of the data off it. Unfortunately or fortunately (depending how you look at it) I've moved house so the old power supply I was using before isn't the same. This HD has taken longer to show signs of clicking though, about one year. And to be honest I didn't follow you with most of the methods you used to test it under windows and linux.. hmmm maybe if it was in a slightly more user friendly explanation :P Haha nice work to the guy who quit smoking.. yeah I'm on that wagon too atm Cheers and best wishes, Karl |
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| Re: An observation Grant wrote: > Hi Karl, > On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:29:21 +1000, a <a@a> wrote: > >>Lol fair enough, I think this is the human interaction Usenet became >>famous for? Forgive me I'm new to newsgroups.. anyways I'd still be >>curious if any non-trolling newsreaders had any thoughts on the power >>shortage being an influence on the start of HD death. > > > Of course, weak power is first suspect. When the obvious answers fail, > time to _really_ think about creating test cases. I had a nasty one a > couple months back, data corruption due to NIC, SATA HDD, disk > controller or what? > > MD5 not as useful to me as diffing good/bad data (not that I knew which > was which) and a pattern emerged: bit 0x20 was failing to be a one, > very occasionally. > > Define a test: the linux-kernel compile / diff took too long, plus I > needed a test that was OS independent, linux or windows. What worked > was copy/compare a .iso image file. Sometimes would get a single byte > error in one of five tries. > > linux: cp, cmp > winxp: copy, fc /b > > Eliminate the suspects: Swapped power supply, OS, disk --> leaving > memory, the shop swapped memory stick for new one, problem gone. > > This box would pass memtest86, and was built new in April. > > In hindsight the clues were occasional kernel source tree corruption, > or a very rare segfault. I use 'cp -al' a lot which makes for a fragile > file system and was blaming 'finger trouble' when source trees went off. > > > > However, the fault you describe reminds me of last time I used ext3 > and getting a lockup with nothing in the logs. > > What kernel you using? Some subtle filesystem interaction bugs were > ironed out in recent months, I assume ext3 is now reliable again. > > > Power supplies do wear out, the ripple current takes its toll on the > main filter capacitors, as does overloading or running at full load. > Open the thing and check if the big filter caps have a domed top, > they supposed to be flat. If the power supply is too small, poor > load regulation will cause things to go wrong, but when I've had > that it was an obvious failure after things warmed up, and removing > a drive resolved the issue. > > Cheers, > Grant. > and kernel using at the time was 2.2, but now it's 2.4 |
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| Re: An observation ANC wrote: > Faux_Pseudo wrote: > >> But of course Al C hasn't read that page. Because Al C doesn't read >> what trolls post. >> > > Not true. You're a troll and I read your crap!! Read Connor's signature. It's clear, to everyone but you, that Faux was referring to Alan Connor, and not to you. Rein in your ego, 'K? > I don't know who Alan Connor really is (assuming he uses a fake name) and > he and I are NOT the same person (and even a Usenet newbie can easily > determine that.) See above. > However I've enjoyed most of his postings I've seen over > the years (I've only seen him on this group as of recent.) Really? How 'bout now? > He's a good writer and he 'hits' on a lot of interesting topics. Really? He's been popping up here for years, and I never noticed that. > His 'talent' (perhaps like mine) is probably wasted on a.o.l.s. Indeed. <repetitious, boring, stale insults to Slackware and the group snipped out of common courtesy> > Al C. -- Old Man |
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| Re: An observation Old Man wrote: >> However I've enjoyed most of his postings I've seen over >> the years (I've only seen him on this group as of recent.) > > Really? How 'bout now? > Connor is either: 1. Just having a bit of (inane) fun trying to tweak me, you, and everyone else. 2. A disturbed guy who has moments of brilliance as well as moments of anger/depression. No matter what, If you don't like him just ignore him.... the way most here ignore me. > repetitious, boring, stale insults to Slackware and the group snipped out > of common courtesy I didn't get the "troll" designation from you Old Man? What? Are you slipping here? It's not like you to miss an opportunity like this! But wait!! Maybe I'm succeeding? Maybe this is an instance where some tolerance is being shown? Maybe an example of 'live and let live"? Maybe a rare show of "agree to disagree" on this group? Maybe a simple act of kindness? The idea of this group becoming a 'kinder and gentler" community where everyone's ideas have value and where all POVs are accepted even if not agreed with would be a HUGE thing here. Is this the beginning of something really good? And did **I** do it???? :-) Be still my heart. Please, someone, anyone, come back here and say "Nah, you're still an asshole" so that I can be brought back to reality. Not all of you at once now!! Al C. |
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| Re: An observation ANC wrote: > Connor is either: > > 1. Just having a bit of (inane) fun ... perhaps. > 2. A disturbed guy ... most definitely. > ... who has moments of brilliance as well as moments of anger/depression. I have yet to see a single example of the former. > No matter what, If you don't like him just ignore him.... the way most > here ignore me. We don't ignore you, Al, we just wait for you to open your mouth wide enough before we help push your feet in! > But wait!! Maybe I'm succeeding? Maybe this is an instance where some > tolerance is being shown? Perhaps Old_Man felt you were a refreshingly subtle for a change, or perhaps just a nice change of pace from the other Al C. More likely it's because you yourself have been showing much more civility in recent past than you showed previously. > Maybe an example of 'live and let live"? Maybe a > rare show of "agree to disagree" on this group? You can generally get that here. You probably don't feel it, though, as a result of consistently trying to impose a change of point of view on those that hang out here. I have to say that I don't find that you've exactly been a shining example of either "live and let live" or "agree to disagree". You reap what you sow, Al. I can live with you coming in here and saying that you prefer BrandX Linux to Slackware for such and such reasons. I also feel I have a right to point out why (perhaps some of) your reasons are simply not applicable (or not a good idea) in some environments, or why I feel that the same are reasons not to use BrandX. What gets tiring is how you seem to consistently turn that into an issue of how many people are using BrandX Linux this week, and you seem to fail to accept that people here don't seem to consider that an important attribute when they select which distribution to use. Can you live with BrandX Linux and accept that people choose to use Slackware for different reasons than you choose BrandX? > The idea of this group becoming a 'kinder and gentler" community > where everyone's ideas have value and where all POVs are accepted > even if not agreed with would be a HUGE thing here. Let's just say that everyone's ideas have always had value here, at least at the moment they enter the group for the first time. A small number have applied to have that value removed from their ideas, sometimes, but rarely, with their first post. I think it's safe to say that pretty much every post I've made to this group has likely been disagreed with by someone. Sometimes it's someone who long ago told us in no uncertain words that they can't be taken seriously. I can also safely say that it isn't infrequent for me to disagree with someone else's point of view, yet the community has generally been accepting that I might have an opinion that differs. Why, then, do you suppose that you have this persecution complex? > Is this the beginning of something really good? Not if it means we're now going to be stuck with that other Al C for the next while, until his prescription is refilled. > And did **I** do it???? :-) > Be still my heart. Not a chance. Get over yourself, Al. People's actions do not revolve around their reactions to you, except perhaps in your own house. > Please, someone, anyone, come back here and say "Nah, you're still an > asshole" so that I can be brought back to reality. Nah, you're still an asshole, yet that doesn't change the fact that you're capable of being a *civil* asshole, and when you are, people see fit to be civil back to you. You know, if you think that your repetitive moans of persecution have resulted in a change of attitude towards you from others in the group, perhaps we could convince you to go hang out outside a few major political offices. Heck if you can initiate change here, I bet you could save the world, just hanging outside the right office. (I'm not going to start the discussion of which would be the "right" office; it would be much safer to start another vi vs. emacs flamefest!) -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sylvain Robitaille syl@alcor.concordia.ca Systems analyst Concordia University Instructional & Information Technology Montreal, Quebec, Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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| Re: An observation ANC <xxx_nospam@takeout_adams-blake.com_nospam> wrote: > > 2. A disturbed guy who has moments of brilliance as well as moments of > anger/depression. Will someone please buy him a gun for those moments of depression so he could off himself. - Kurt |
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