ANC wrote:

> What was not truthful or accurate about the piece? When you make a charge
> like that you ought to back it up with examples. Did SuSE NOT originate
> from Slackware?

SuSE did originate from Slackware. Your statement is true in the sense that
horses swim or chickens fly.

Cheers,

Niki Kovacs
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On 24 Sep 2005 04:02:34 GMT,
jerry <motm95@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid> wrote:

> http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-l...-Jan/0360.html

Interesting reading. Thanks. For those looking for corroboration, there
is the following text document:

<http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/historic-linux/distributions/jurix/README.txt>

(See section 2.)

--
Mark Hill

On 2005-09-24, Mark Hill <m@rk.invalid> wrote:
> On 24 Sep 2005 04:02:34 GMT,
> jerry <motm95@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-l...-Jan/0360.html
>
> Interesting reading. Thanks. For those looking for corroboration, there
> is the following text document:
>
><http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/historic-linux/distributions/jurix/README.txt>
>
> (See section 2.)
>

So much for the "peer review" process.

Actually, a quick google search would also reveal the answer....in the first
hit!!!

ken

Niki Kovacs wrote:

>
> SuSE did originate from Slackware. Your statement is true in the sense
> that horses swim or chickens fly.
>

I'll accept that.

I remember talking to H. Ross Perot many (like 30) years ago. He told me in
his clipped, Texan twang style: "Little fella (I was one of the few people
in the company 5ft. 7in. Ross could say that to!!) There are three separate
entities in business: 1) The truth. 2) The whole truth. 3) Nothing but the
truth. At EDS we only tell our customers the truth!"

Al

No_One wrote:

> So much for the "peer review" process.
>
> Actually, a quick google search would also reveal the answer....in the
> first hit!!!

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/historic-...rix/README.txt


Here is what it says:

2. What is S.u.S.E.-Linux?

S.u.S.e. is a Linux/Unix/Software company in Germany which is in the
Linux business since Dez. 92. They are also selling a modified
Slackware distribution. Now they want to use their
experience/knowledge and make a new distribution.

They will use this jurix-Distribution and add their own linux
experience to improve my existing programs.
--------------

I interpret this to mean that the SuSE engineers took some 'stuff' (and
their experience) from Slackware to improve jurix.

Can one reasonably conclude that SuSE originated from Slackware? Yes, I
think you can... perhaps with more qualification that I stated in my
article.

The editors accepted it and if you accept the proposition that they are more
knowledgeable about these issues than you or I (debatable, of course) then
the statement stands. If you don't accept that proposition, then I was
obviously wrong and I should have put Slackware in the Odd-ball class with
Arch, Symphony, et. al.

Anyway, it was just a fluff, opinion piece, as another poster mentioned. It
was fun to write and judging from my mail people enjoyed both reading it
and disagreeing with it. That's not so bad for the 30 minutes it took me to
write. I've worked much longer and harder on pieces that were far better
(IMO) and which got little if any notice.

Anyway, you (guys) should be happy that Slackware got any ink at all. It's
not exactly a household word in today's Linux media-community. 1995 has
come and gone. :-) (Oh, geez, can't any of you take a joke!)

ANC

On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:16:42 +0000, ANC wrote:

> What was not truthful or accurate about the piece?

Re-read my post.

I had no comment regarding "your piece". I was commenting on the fact
that "opinion pieces" or "editorials" such as yours are held to a
different journalistic standard when it comes to accuracy. That's why
they have there own section in the newspaper labled clearly as opinion or
editorial, just as yours was.

Not everything is about you.

Franklin wrote:

> On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:16:42 +0000, ANC wrote:
>
>> What was not truthful or accurate about the piece?
>
> Re-read my post.
>
> I was commenting on the fact
> that "opinion pieces" or "editorials" such as yours are held to a
> different journalistic standard when it comes to accuracy.
>


Explain to me exactly what that "different" standard of accuracy is?


ANC

On 2005-09-24, ANC <xxx_nospam@takeout_adams-blake.com_nospam> wrote:
>
> Can one reasonably conclude that SuSE originated from Slackware? Yes, I
> think you can... perhaps with more qualification that I stated in my
> article.

One can also conclude that the chevy has roots in ford. True enough,
but laughable in any present day discussion.

> Anyway, it was just a fluff, opinion piece, as another poster mentioned. It
> was fun to write and judging from my mail people enjoyed both reading it
> and disagreeing with it. That's not so bad for the 30 minutes it took me to
> write. I've worked much longer and harder on pieces that were far better
> (IMO) and which got little if any notice.

And that would be the problem with fluff...inaccurate and conclusions
supported by assumptions and air.

ken

No_One wrote:

>
> And that would be the problem with fluff...inaccurate and conclusions
> supported by assumptions and air.
>

Well, I would not agree with your analysis, but I'm sure many others do. In
my circles, "fluff" is a piece that is usually of low importance to the
overall objective of the publication. It's often an opinion piece BUT it is
SUPPOSED to contain content that can be fact-checked, substantiated, and
which will stand up to at least a cursory examination. I still think my
piece meets that standard. YMMV (and it obviously does.)

Since you obviously don't have a lot of regard for Linux-Watch, which
published my piece, let me ask this. What do YOU read that YOU think sets
the (gold) standard for truth and accuracy with respect to Linux? Slash
Dot? NewsForge? Linux Journal. Linux World? Infoweek? A.O.L.S?

It's easy to be a critic, and yes we do need them, but it's a lot harder to
create imaginative content that can hold the interest of busy readers.
Unfortunately (as we've seen with the New York Times and CBS News) some
writers and editors don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

And just about all of the major media are owned by huge corporate
conglomerates. It's your choice to believe what is presented to you on TV,
radio, and in print. But as I've said here often... follow the money. It's
not about facts, it's not about truth, it's not about accuracy.

Slackware might be the greatest Linux distro on the planet. But Novell/SuSE
buys the ads and they will get the ink. You can talk to me about the
"concrete wall' between sales and editorial if you wish. But editors,
writers, and reporters know what (and who) generates their paychecks. Given
a choice to do a "fluff" (or "puff") piece on Slackware or SuSE, it's not
going to be Slackware. Given a choice to write a "hit" piece on SuSE or
Slackware, it's probably not going to be SuSE.... not when you have to
answer to some bean-counter from Cap Cities/Dinsey, Vivendi, or News Corp.

http://www.thenation.com/special/bigten.html
http://www.mediachannel.org/ownership/chart.shtml

ANC

On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 17:34:19 GMT,
ANC <xxx_nospam@takeout_adams-blake.com_nospam> wrote:

<snip>
>
> Anyway, you (guys) should be happy that Slackware got any ink at all. It's
> not exactly a household word in today's Linux media-community. 1995 has
> come and gone. :-) (Oh, geez, can't any of you take a joke!)

I can take a joke But slackware is not far from the minds of the
linux community and a slackware release is of major importance to many
people as well as the status of it's creator. I reference all the
coverage slackware recieves on slashdot .. new releases, Patricks
health, any new news about the distribution is covered there usually in
depth and the threads will become huge. I dare say, that most serious
linux adopters and users care about slackware development. The people I
see who don't tend to be those who's self importance is thier primary
concern.

Anyway, I liked your article, I thought it a bit derogetory to slackware
and it's packaging system but everyone is entitled to their opinion, and
that was an opinion piece after all.

Can something be considered ancient when it is still being actively
developed? Food for thought.


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