I find it hard to believe that somehow my kde broke for all users when I was
logged in as a normal user. Here's the story:

I've got an MSI MS-1013 notebook and its tough to get this sucker to work
well with linux. The hardest thing is the ati video card. Anyways, I'm
running slackware 10.2 with upgraded kde and 2.6.15 kernel. Last night my
mouse went freaky. It just insisted on going down. My keyboard stopped
working as well. I tried to fight the mouse and properly shutdown but I
couldn't. I couldn't hit the power button to do a nice shutdown b/c it give
me problems waking up from suspend (it'll make it shutdown). So I had to do
a hard shutdown (this actually isn't uncommon for me at this point). So I
rebooted only to find that kde no longer works. It would lock up the
computer at "initializing periferals" (however you spell that). It does run
kdm without any problems and it ran xfce without problems as well. I tried
logging in as root and a normal user, even moved my .kde folder but no go.
I had to reinstall the kde. This magically fixed it. What give?


I tried looking at logs but must like all the many crashes I've been
getting, there was nothing useful in the logs.
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Miguel De Anda wrote:

> Anyways, I'm
> running slackware 10.2 with upgraded kde and 2.6.15 kernel.

Where did you get the packages from? If you use -current packages, they
won't work on 10.2. Either download 10.2 packages from kde.org... or build
them yourself from source.

Cheers,

Niki Kovacs
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Miguel De Anda wrote:
> I find it hard to believe that somehow my kde broke for all users when I was
> logged in as a normal user. Here's the story:

I don't know what the problem is, but I did have it a couple of times,
especially when I broke permissions on hidden files in /tmp, I think one
of these:

drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 368 2006-03-17 20:07 .ICE-unix/
-r--r--r-- 1 root root 11 2006-03-17 20:06 .X0-lock
drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 72 2006-03-17 20:06 .X11-unix/

In the end, it helps to clean out /tmp and run KDE once as root, or so I
recall. In any casr, KDE itself is not broken.

PJ

Niki Kovacs napisał(a):
> Where did you get the packages from? If you use -current packages, they
> won't work on 10.2. Either download 10.2 packages from kde.org... or build
> them yourself from source.
>

what about upgrading slackware 10.1 up to current with swaret
- mustn't I upgrade kde that way?

and a weird question now - can I call my slackware
"current", if it's 10.1 upgraded with swaret? or do I have to
do any other steps manualy?

Bart

PJ Beers wrote:
> Miguel De Anda wrote:
>
>> I find it hard to believe that somehow my kde broke for all users when
>> I was
>> logged in as a normal user. Here's the story:
>
>
> I don't know what the problem is, but I did have it a couple of times,
> especially when I broke permissions on hidden files in /tmp, I think one
> of these:
>
> drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 368 2006-03-17 20:07 .ICE-unix/
> -r--r--r-- 1 root root 11 2006-03-17 20:06 .X0-lock
> drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 72 2006-03-17 20:06 .X11-unix/
>
> In the end, it helps to clean out /tmp and run KDE once as root, or so I
> recall. In any casr, KDE itself is not broken.

Interesting. Having used Windowmaker for years, I'm new to KDE (using it
on the job). The other day, while 'existing' stuff still worked in KDE,
I couldn't launch any new apps, not even an xterm.
Ctrl+Alt+BS and a fresh login solved the problem.

I wonder if your above assessment might be related to my problem?
Haven't run KDE as root as yet. Will have a look at /tmp perms...

It's on a Gentoo though, but the KDE stuff might behave all the same.
I don't use KDE on my home Slack box, so I wouldn't know.

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Mogens V.

Niki Kovacs wrote:

> Miguel De Anda wrote:
>
>> Anyways, I'm
>> running slackware 10.2 with upgraded kde and 2.6.15 kernel.
>
> Where did you get the packages from? If you use -current packages, they
> won't work on 10.2. Either download 10.2 packages from kde.org... or build
> them yourself from source.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Niki Kovacs

yeah, I gave up on keeping with current. Things started breaking too much
with gcc and/or alsa updates. Anyway, I'm using the ones from kde.org.
However, even after reinstalling kde it still locks up very often. I've
never really found anything useful in the logs. Most of the time, the
lockup is a white screen (of death) and I can't do anything. Once I was
able to ssh into the machine in the past, so I assume it may just be video
related. I find it to be the most stable when I set the no_accel flag to
true in my xorg.conf file. This makes moving windows extremely slow.

How good are the open source ati drivers? I don't care too much for
acceleration except that I would like to be able to watch dvds from the
computer. I find that without ati accel, I can't watch dvds well.


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Miguel De Anda wrote:
> How good are the open source ati drivers? I don't care too much for
> acceleration except that I would like to be able to watch dvds from the
> computer. I find that without ati accel, I can't watch dvds well.

We're using Gentoo on Dell on the job, it's for software development and
depends heavily on OpenGL/3D accel.
While I prefer nVidia, we have 60/40 a mix of nVidia and ATI.
I find that current ATI drivers works quite well with the xorg that goes
with Gentoo; don't remember which xorg version.
We don't really watch DVD's on the job, that is, a few does late friday,
or plays a game, plus they use the same setups on notebooks and their
own boxes back home for gaming and DVD, so I know it works with ATI.

ATI ships with a new too which sets up xorg.conf quite well, just don't
remember what it's called - I'm home now, and actually don't setup
ATI/nVidia too often. I have a script to keep a USB install disk updated
and another script to copy/install from that USB to a workstation

Even though that USB thingy gets updated from my own nVidia-based WS,
copying to an ATI-based WS is relatively troublefree.
Part of the script digs the card from lspci, updates the correct driver,
runs the appropriate opengl update tool and symlinks xorg.conf .

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On 2006-03-19, Miguel De Anda <miguel@thedeanda.com> wrote:
<snip>

> yeah, I gave up on keeping with current. Things started breaking too much
> with gcc and/or alsa updates. Anyway, I'm using the ones [0] from kde.org.
> However, even after reinstalling kde it still locks up very often. I've
> never really found anything useful in the logs. Most of the time, the
> lockup is a white screen (of death) and I can't do anything. Once I was
> able to ssh into the machine in the past, so I assume it may just be video
> related. I find it to be the most stable when I set the no_accel flag to
> true in my xorg.conf file. This makes moving windows extremely slow.
>

I'm by no means a KDE expert, don't run it myself[1] I do read posts about KDE
though. First, the KDE packages from kde.org are known to cause problems. I
don't know the reason, but when there is a new version out, and all the latest
and greatest people are posting furiously about where to get them, I see
recomendations against using kde.org packages. perhaps someone has more insight
about what exactly they do wrong. Having X lock up on me is a pet peave of
mine. I don't understand why linux can allow this to happen. One thing I do
miss from the land o'Redmond is ctrl-alt-del and get the task manager. I
haven't found a suitable equivalent for linux. Also for some odd reason I can't
set my ctrl-alt-del behaviour[2][3], but that's neither here nor there. So like
previously mentioned, upgrade to current and use current's KDE, find different
known working packages, or compile it yourself.

> How good are the open source ati drivers? I don't care too much for
> acceleration except that I would like to be able to watch dvds from the
> computer. I find that without ati accel, I can't watch dvds well.
>

I said I will never run an ATI just because of the crappy drivers they have
been shoving Linux's way for so long. I have been reading more and more about
how ATI's drivers are getting better and better. IIRC have even released some
FOSS code? I know there are some third party driver packages floating around
the net. I have no idea where to get them, or which ones are good. I'm sure
someone here does.

>
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[0] KDE Packages
[1] I fire up KDE maybe once or twice a year, and perhaps new releases just to
check it out.
[2] Editing /etc/inittab makes no difference to what happens, and even the
default behaviour (/sbin/shutdown -t5 -r now) doesn't do anything if i issue
the 3 finger salute.
[3] I'm curious why we couldn't have a few bytes of code that can be executed no
matter what the system is doing. Preemption code that can preempt anything.

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On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:14:05 GMT, MikeReynolds <mreynolds@invalid.com> wrote:

> Having X lock up on me is a pet peave of
>mine. I don't understand why linux can allow this to happen.

X is an application, not part of linux.

> One thing I do
>miss from the land o'Redmond is ctrl-alt-del and get the task manager.

Ctrl-Alt-BS crashes X and gets you back to the shell, what task manager?
The shell does job control.

Grant.
--
Memory fault -- brain fried

MikeReynolds wrote:

> On 2006-03-19, Miguel De Anda <miguel@thedeanda.com> wrote:
> <snip>
>
> First, the KDE packages from kde.org are known to cause
> problems. I don't know the reason, but when there is a new version out,
> and all the latest and greatest people are posting furiously about where
> to get them, I see recomendations against using kde.org packages. perhaps
> someone has more insight about what exactly they do wrong.

I've got a similar setup on my desktop, with an nvidia card and I've never
had any problems like this. An older version of kde did have a few
problems, but I think they were just problems with that particular build.
(Kopete crashing whenever windows closed, kicker also crashing the same
way.)




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