On Mon, 27 Mar 2006, hari wrote:
> Hi,
> It's lovely to see my article linked from here. And being described as
> a "nobody blogger" is quite a thrilling experience too, since it shows
> that I'm now getting popular :-)

note that it was our troll ANC who quoted your article here,
at the same time insulting you as a 'nobody blogger', not to
consider or discuss any of your points but rather only to start
yet another of his paranoid flame-fests. ANC's appreciation
of your comments follows only to the extent that he saw your
article as some proof of Slackware's failure. IMHO that was
obviously not your intent.


> It is a very biased opinion, I agree. Nobody needs to agree with me.
> It's just my review and opinion on Debian and nothing else.
> Feel free to disagree!
> Thanks....

Right. No disagreement here.
Glad to hear that Debian works for you.
Glad also to know that Slackware works for me.
Ain't it a wonderful thing, to have such excellent tools
for us to choose between?


--
William Hunt, Portland Oregon USA

Daniel de Kok wrote

> BTW., on a more personal note, if you allow me: you mentioned o
severa
> occasions that you are interested in Indian philosophy
>
I'm interested in Eastern philosophy and by that I mean no
Judeo-Christia
paradigms of belief structure and normative societal structures.

> From my limite
> experience with Yoga I know that harmony and peace are one of th
centra
> values to become a good yoghi
> (sic

The key word here is "limited experience." You are right as far as yo
go
but you don't seem to understand HOW many of the "old" scripture
(Vedas
instruct one to get this so-called peace of mind

I won't go into a treatise on this as it is not my mission to conver
anyon
to any one belief structure... but to simply follow my own. And I'
onl
familiar with the Bhagavad Gita which is actually a small section o
th
much longer Mahabharata.

Like the Christian Bible and all other written belief-texts you ca
fin
verses to support just about any position. However I don't think tha
removal of oneself from a source of conflict is a teaching of th
TOTA
Gita, yet I can see how such could be construed if you take some of i
ou
of context.

So no, I don't take offense at your suggestion and you basing it o
"Indian
philosophy. It would be like me telling a Christian "Would you b
'happier
if you renounced violence and evangelicism" when we know that for th
pas
2000 years most of the wars have been fought in the name o
Christianit
and that this is a prime motivation of Christian thought. The idea o
Christians or Muslims being 'happy' in a climate that is absent o
conflic
would be taking "thou shall not kill" way out of context of both th
Ol
and New Testaments.

In the Gita, Arjuna WANTS to give up the battle, but he is told b
Krishn
that it is his responsibility to fight... but that there is much els
tha
he needs to do to attain so-called self-realization. You can see
goo
summary of the Gita here

http://hinduwebsite.com/summary.as
an
http://www.srivaishnava.20m.com/gita/gist.ht


> It seems that this newsgroup has a ver
> negative influence on your peace of mind (since think there is
wild pac
> of dogs), and your posts seem to be disturbing to many in thi
newsgroup
> Wouldn't it be best for all of us if you and AOLS part ways
>
>
Are you asking or are you telling? And how would you know the 'state
(o
non-state) of 'my mind'? Sounds somewhat presumptuous of you, if yo
as
me. I don't say the above in anger, just in puzzlement.

> This is by no means intended as a personal attack
>
I don't take it as such.

> just a 'trying to b
> helpful' note from a fellow traveler of reality
>
Well you obviously have NOT done your research before you reached you
abov
conclusion. After you have read the Gita and perhaps the tota
Mahabharat
you might be in a better position to suggest methods for practicin
Bhakt
Yoga and we should have this discussion again

Better yet, you ought to take it up with P.V. as he is far more verse
i
Eastern thought than am I. You might invite him to come on to a.o.l.s
an
explain why he does not participate. Perhaps as you say it is becaus
h
believes that it is disruptive to his journey to self-realization
He'
read far more than I have and perhaps he is in a position to suppor
you
position. I, however read the Gita (it's short... you can do it in
fe
hours) and it teaches me that we all have certain responsibilities an
tha
we need to meet them (that is over-simplified) but at the 20,000 foo
leve
that is part of Krishna's message to Arjuna

I agree with the following summation. Again I include it NOT t
conver
anyone (I could care less what anyone here believes or does no
believe
but to maybe educate on some of the precepts I find important an
which
believe YOUR 'guru' (P.V) also finds important (although I don't for
minute purport to speak for him on these or any other matters.). Som
o
you use the concept of having or attaining "Slack" or "clue". Perhap
som
of what you mean is below. Perhaps not.

**************
As Arjuna surveyed his opponent just before the war, he noticed
countless
relatives, gurus and friends on the opposite side. He realized that
only by
killing them would he regain his lost kingdom. Being a sAtvika with
pious
qualities, Arjuna felt repulsed by the thought of killing his loved
ones.
He felt that to kill them would be a sin, and in his anguish, he laid
down
his bow and arrow and refused to fight. He asked Sri Krishna to advise
him
of what course would be good for him. Krishna, the well wisher of the
whole
universe, took pity on the confused and grief-stricken Arjuna, and
unveiled
the Gita to him and directed Arjuna to go ahead with the war which was
his
duty as a kshatriya. So the Gita is a shastra, given to clear our
confusion
about various aspects of life and to direct us to perform our duties.
It is
absolutely relevant to each one of us in this modern world. It does
not
talk about something abstract.

Arjuna reveals his anguish at the prospect of battle. The chapter
starts
with Dhritarashtra, the father of the Kauravas, asking his messenger
Sanjaya about the happenings in Kurushetra. Sanjaya begins his
narration
with the words of the eldest Kaurava Duryodhana as he prepared for the
battle, and then introduces Arjuna and his lamentation of his plight.
Arjuna fears that papa karma caused by his misdeeds will engulf him.
He
explains that acharyas who are fit to be honored every day should not
be
killed. One cannot build his throne on the altar of his relatives. The
chapter then ends with Arjuna abandoning his bow and arrow and sitting
silently in his chariot.

Krishna uses Arjuna's moral dilemma as a pretext for getting at the
root
confusion which Arjuna faces. Arjuna erroneously thinks that he will
really
kill Bhishma and others, only because he is confused that the body and
the
self (atma) are one and the same. He has not understood that even by
shooting countless arrows at Bhishma, Bhishma's atma cannot be
destroyed.
Even if Arjuna stays away from fighting for thousands of years,
Bhishma?s
body cannot be saved. The idea is that the body is subject to
destruction,
but the atma is eternal.

This is the tattva-jnana (true knowledge of the nature of atma and the
body)
which one has to get first. These are explained up to verse 39. Once
one
knows the greatness of jivatma, one would certainly long to realise it
and
see it as it is. Next, Krishna goes on to explain karma-yoga which is
the
means to realise this atma. By practicing karma-yoga, one will be led
to
jnana-yoga which is penultimate to atma realisation.

It would be apt here to define karma-yoga and jnana-yoga. Yoga here
means
"way" or "path". Karma-yoga is the path of action and jnana-yoga is
the
path of knowledge. These paths lead to the goal, which is
atma-realisation.

The order given in the second chapter is:

* Basic knowledge about jivatma -- karma-yoga, manas suddhi (one's
mind
is cleansed) -- jnana-yoga -- atma realisation. Perform your duty
without
fixing your eye on worldly goals. This is the way to jnana-yoga which
ultimately leads to atma-sakshatkara, the vision of the self.
* Karma-yoga -- disciplined performance of religious acts and
one's
prescribed ritual duties with three things in mind, or the threefold
sacrifice:
1. kartrtva buddhi tyaga -- do not think you are the doer.
2. mamata tyaga -- do not think that this action is for you
or
belongs to you
3. phala tyaga -- do not think or perform karma-yoga for any
objective other than atma-realisation. Every karma has to be performed
as a
service to the Lord with an underlying thought that you are his
absolute
servant.
* Jnana-yoga -- to meditate on one's atma without any hindrance,
by
controlling one's senses and without straying after worldly pleasures.

***************

Busy week ahead. But just for you Dan, I'll try to pop in when I can
for a
little violin practice :-) But more important WHERE is 'ken'? Spring
break?

anc

On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:03:24 +0000, ANC wrote:

> In the Gita, Arjuna WANTS to give up the battle, but he is told by
> Krishna that it is his responsibility to fight...

Is this "Krishna" the same guy who used to organize the bald-headed freaks
to hassle people in the airport? First name "Harry", as I recall? Thank
Ghod they outlawed those whackos in airports. Hey Al, did you ever have
to do a weekend of duty in the airport?

> but that there is much else that he needs to do to attain so-called
> self-realization.

I bet he can't get udev/hal/messagebus working on a 2.6.15+ kernel. Now
that will bring self-realization, once achieved.

> I agree with the following summation. Again I include it NOT to convert
> anyone (I could care less what anyone here believes or does not believe)

Don't worry, Al. You are incapable of converting anyone to your wishes or
way of thinking. You are most definitely NOT a "leader of men".

<snip a bunch of whacko preachy shit>

> It would be apt here to define karma-yoga and jnana-yoga. Yoga here
> means "way" or "path". Karma-yoga is the path of action and jnana-yoga
> is the path of knowledge. These paths lead to the goal, which is
> atma-realisation.

I thought the goal was to be able to get both legs up around the back of
your head, and then engage in exotic sexual adventures. Those
atma-particles will give you sunburn, you know, and eventually skin cancer.

--
If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much space.
Linux Registered User #327951

On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:22:04 +0000, ANC wrote:

> I'm interested in Eastern philosophy and by that I mean non
> Judeo-Christian
> paradigms of belief structure and normative societal structures.

Are we still trolling, or did the game switch to Buzzword Bingo?
--
mark south; echo znexfbhgu2000@lnubb.pb.hx|tr a-z n-za-m
"I can trace my ancestry back to a protoplasmal primordial atomic
globule. Consequently, my family pride is something inconceivable."
-- Gilbert & Sullivan, The Mikado

Daniel de Kok <daniel@daffy.nowhere> trolled:
> On 2006-03-27, ANC <anc@not_to_beadams-blake.not_tobe.com> wrote:
> > There is an 'intended market' for Slackware?

> "The Official Release of Slackware Linux by Patrick Volkerding is an
> advanced Linux operating system, designed with the twin goals of ease
> of use and stability as top priorities. Including the latest popular
> software while retaining a sense of tradition, providing simplicity
> and ease of use alongside flexibility and power, Slackware brings the
> best of all worlds to the table."

> "Since its first release in April of 1993, the Slackware Linux Project
> has aimed at producing the most "UNIX-like" Linux distribution out there."

> Source: http://www.slackware.com/info/

> Now, it should not be hard to deduct the intended market from that:
> people who want a UNIX-like Linux system that focuses on stability
> and simplicity.

Har. There is NO SUCH THING as a "UNIX-like" OS that focuses on
simplicity. That is oxymoronic.

> The market seems to be large enough to put food on the table for
> Pat. And everybody is happy. The 'intended market' has a UNIX
> system it likes, Pat can make a living out of it. What more can we
> wish for?

Enough to put food on the table. But not enough to cover medical
expenses, apparently. But gee, "Pat" is God and he doesn't have to
get sick unless he wants to.

> BTW., on a more personal note, if you allow me: you mentioned on
> several occasions that you are interested in Indian philosophy.
> From my limited experience with Yoga I know that harmony and peace
> are one of the central values to become a good yoghi. It seems
> that this newsgroup has a very negative influence on your peace of
> mind (since think there is a wild pack of dogs), and your posts
> seem to be disturbing to many in this newsgroup. Wouldn't it be
> best for all of us if you and AOLS part ways?

You're the one claiming to be a "yoghi." We are interested in Hindu
philosophy, to an extant, as well. Try reading the Bhagavad Gita
some time.

> This is by no means intended as a personal attack, just a 'trying to be
> helpful' note from a fellow traveler of reality.

Traveller of reality? Sitting on your ass sending electrons into
space through the internet? Is that "travelling?"

Try the Bhagavad Gita.

cordially, as always,

rm

William Hunt <wjh@prv8.net> trolled:

William Hunt has been discredited and officially ostracized because
of the numerous examples of bad information that he has posted to
this newsgroup.

Ignore William Hunt. He's a phoney and a troll.

cordially, as always,

rm

Dan C <youmustbejoking@invalid.lan> trolled:
> On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:03:24 +0000, ANC wrote:

> > In the Gita, Arjuna WANTS to give up the battle, but he is told
> > by Krishna that it is his responsibility to fight...

> Is this "Krishna" the same guy who used to organize the
> bald-headed freaks to hassle people in the airport? First name
> "Harry", as I recall? Thank

No, you little turd. His name is "Hairy Krishna" and they call him
that as a joke because he is bald.

Go on home.

cordially, as always,

rm

On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:33:30 +0000, Ronald Matthews wrote:

>> Is this "Krishna" the same guy who used to organize the
>> bald-headed freaks to hassle people in the airport? First name
>> "Harry", as I recall? Thank

> No, you little turd. His name is "Hairy Krishna" and they call him
> that as a joke because he is bald.

When I want some lip from you, I'll scrape it from my zipper.

--
If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much space.
Linux Registered User #327951

Dan C <youmustbejoking@invalid.lan> trolled:

If we want any shit from you, we'll give your head a squeeze.

A bit of tongue-in-cheek in my reply ;-) I came across this group quite
by accident.

William Hunt wrote:

> On Mon, 27 Mar 2006, hari wrote:
> > Hi,
> > It's lovely to see my article linked from here. And being described as
> > a "nobody blogger" is quite a thrilling experience too, since it shows
> > that I'm now getting popular :-)
>
> note that it was our troll ANC who quoted your article here,
> at the same time insulting you as a 'nobody blogger', not to
> consider or discuss any of your points but rather only to start
> yet another of his paranoid flame-fests. ANC's appreciation
> of your comments follows only to the extent that he saw your
> article as some proof of Slackware's failure. IMHO that was
> obviously not your intent.
>
>
> > It is a very biased opinion, I agree. Nobody needs to agree with me.
> > It's just my review and opinion on Debian and nothing else.
> > Feel free to disagree!
> > Thanks....
>
> Right. No disagreement here.
> Glad to hear that Debian works for you.
> Glad also to know that Slackware works for me.
> Ain't it a wonderful thing, to have such excellent tools
> for us to choose between?
>
>
> --
> William Hunt, Portland Oregon USA