On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:58:36 -0600, notbob wrote:

> On 2006-10-31, Sylvain Robitaille <syl@alcor.concordia.ca> wrote:
>
>> writer's "main" site (is it just me, or does he have some terribly
>> broken HTML frame action going on there?) to even figure out that he
>> calls himself "Moe" and claims to be a techie ...
>
> Here it is:
>
> http://www.techiemoe.com/tech/slackware11.htm
>
> I was going to say more, but don't see any point. What can you say
> about a kid with a BA in computer science who can't install Slackware.
>

He's just an angry scriptkiddie. I think the most merciful thing we could
do is ignore him.

Cheers!
Rich

On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:58:37 -0800, Manimoto wrote:

> There is an article on Linux Today "Slackware 11--Grandfather Distro
> Showing Its Age" that is trashing Pat Volkerding as well Slackware.
>
> I found I became embarrased for the "author" (sic!). I'm sure that
> Linux Today was simply trawling for any articles on Linux - the editor
> surely could not have reviewed it before adding it to newslist. It is
> like reading some dirty little paragraph on a washroom wall. The
> article actually reflects quite badly on Linux Today.

I have read Linux Today for many years, pretty much from the time it first
appeared on the Web and through several editor transitions. The
philosophy of Linux Today seems to have always been to present articles
that discuss Linux and its community, both positive and negative. It does
not reflect poorly on Linux Today, in fact it bolsters its reputation that
it is trying to provide a summary of what is being written about Linux
without being biased only toward Linux positive articles. Linux Today is
doing what the site has always done and editor Brian Proffitt has done a
very good job since taking over the site.

As for the linked article, I skimmed it and it hardly seems worthy of
comment, except to say that if someone doesn't like Slackware, there are
plenty of other options available. Also, if the author dislikes the
choices PV has made, then he is welcome to create his own fork as has been
done many times before. In short, the author should put his money where
his mouth is and build a distro that suits his style/needs/wishes, not
demand that someone else do it.

- Nate >>

--

"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds,
the pessimist fears this is true."

Manimoto <manimotomushi@hotmail.com> trolled:

> I found I became embarrased for the "author" (sic!). I'm sure that
> Linux Today was simply trawling for any articles on Linux - the
> editor surely could not have reviewed it before adding it to
> newslist. It is like reading some dirty little paragraph on a
> washroom wall.

> Doesn't the author want to hide in a hole after posting his
> embarassing thoughts?

> There really is no need to defend P.V. or Slackware because of the
> article, it should be simply ignored...

Kind of hard to ignore, now that you have brought it to our
attention...

cordially, as always,

rm

Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> trolled:
> On 2006-10-31, Manimoto <manimotomushi@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > Doesn't the author want to hide in a hole after posting his
> > embarassing thoughts?

> Assuming he could find his way into the hole, that is. Look on
> the bright side: at least he won't be posting to the newsgroup
> (again, assuming he could figure out how to do so).

> Yes, Sylvain, his layout seems pretty broken. It's done in
> Javascript. What fool does layout in Javascript? Oh, right, a
> fool who can't get Slackware installed.

But these kinds of ad hominems hardly address the article. We have
yet to read the article, but if it is that bad, why don't you attack
the message, rather than the messenger?

Oh, yes, you're the guy who buries pgp in his headers and then goes
around telling others that it is better to include pgp in your
messages.

And so, we're not surprised.

cordially, as always,

rm

On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:58:44 -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote:

> done many times before. In short, the author should put his money where
> his mouth is and build a distro that suits his style/needs/wishes, not
> demand that someone else do it.

Well, we used to have a troll her who would say stuff like, "I love
Slackware BUT..." and go on with what he'd change.

I like Slackware not only for the name, but precisely because Mr. V
keeps it clean and sticks to his vision, so to speak.

Actually, I chose Slack for my first from-scratch installation on a
6X86 that had W95 preinstalled, but I already knew about partitioning. :-)
And the reason I picked Slack over the plethora of other distri is
really, truly, because the name "slackware" somehow resonated with me.

I've always been a slacker, now I'm a Slacker! ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

On 2006-10-31, Nate Bargmann <n0nb.DO.NOT.SPAM@ME.networksplus.net> wrote:


> philosophy of Linux Today seems to have always been....

....the same as all the other websites grabbed up and ruined by
JupiterMedia. Namely, create yet another redundant linux portal clone
as an excuse to run a buncha Microsoft ads. As for original content,
they'd feature the ingredient list from a box of Chiclets if you put
Linux in the title.

nb

notbob (notbob@nothome.com) writes:
> On 2006-10-31, Nate Bargmann <n0nb.DO.NOT.SPAM@ME.networksplus.net> wrote:
>
>
>> philosophy of Linux Today seems to have always been....
>
> ...the same as all the other websites grabbed up and ruined by
> JupiterMedia. Namely, create yet another redundant linux portal clone
> as an excuse to run a buncha Microsoft ads. As for original content,
> they'd feature the ingredient list from a box of Chiclets if you put
> Linux in the title.
>
> nb

Now that's a thought. Can we get a serial rebranded, so there's
"Linux - The Breakfast of Champions", complete with photos of people
important to Linux?

It can even be the distribution method, a box of Linux would come
complete with a CDROM that contained a distribution.

The latter isn't so far fetched, given one of the cereal companies
has put CDROM games (albeit for Windows and perhaps the Mac) inside.
And I got some Big Hollywood Movies right after I got a DVD player,
because they were right there in the box (I gave away the cereal
after buying it for the DVDs).

Michael

Realto Margarino wrote:

> But these kinds of ad hominems hardly address the article. We have
> yet to read the article, but if it is that bad, why don't you attack
> the message, rather than the messenger?

Perhaps because the messenger is so incompetent that the content of the
message was nearly zero, and was indistinguishable from infantile wailing?

--
Old Man

"I could be wrong again
I remember once in August 1993
I was wrong, and I could be wrong again" - Paul Simon

Realto Margarino <rm@youasked.org> wrote:
>
> But these kinds of ad hominems hardly address the article. We have
> yet to read the article, but if it is that bad, why don't you attack
> the message, rather than the messenger?

I still haven't finished listening to the entire thing, but that interview
with Pat seemed to cover all the "issues" the author had.

- Kurt

Manimoto wrote:
> There is an article on Linux Today "Slackware 11--Grandfather Distro
> Showing Its Age" that is trashing Pat Volkerding as well Slackware.
>
> I found I became embarrased for the "author" (sic!). I'm sure that
> Linux Today was simply trawling for any articles on Linux - the editor
> surely could not have reviewed it before adding it to newslist. It is
> like reading some dirty little paragraph on a washroom wall. The
> article actually reflects quite badly on Linux Today.
>
> Doesn't the author want to hide in a hole after posting his embarassing
> thoughts?
>
> There really is no need to defend P.V. or Slackware because of the
> article, it should be simply ignored...
>

I soured on Linux Today ages ago...articles stopped being useful and the site is just
another ad portal.

The author also can't possibly be a linux addict. From all the distros I've tried (5
in teh last month), Slackware didn't force me to "emerge" all night, doesn't lock up
when I pop in a PCMCIA card, doesn't need X to install, and doesn't come with a apps
I don't need. openoffice and the rest are a simple download later. So ya got to edit
a few text files, big whoop.

1. What's wrong with PV "iron fist"? I call that stability.
2. What's wrong with 2.4? means it'll run on these old laptops and desktops I refurbish

As for for mouse probs, wtf? The only issue I ever had (xfree86, x.org) was with the
scroll wheel and once when I mistyped the CRT vert freq. bah.

ah rant rant rant. had a bad day so I'l shut up and stop preachin' to the choir.