On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:51:38 -0700, King Beowulf wrote:

> This time I can't resists feeding the troll. T
> hat is just so much bullshit. You, sir, are an ass.

No argument from me on that.

> 99% of computer
> users, no matter how expert and skilled, do not need to compile the kernel
> of any OS. Computers is a tool and the OS is pretty much irrelevant: It's
> just a means to rn software that *really* does something.

True, but compiling a kernel is really not that hard. If I were to start
from scratch on a machine I knew nothing about I'd use the generic
kernel and do...

lsmod > /modules.txt
lspci -vv > /pci.txt

With those two files I generated I have 90% of what is needed and I can
eliminate the other related stuff.

> PV does such a fantastic job on Slackware that is good to go right out of
> the box. Fast and stable.

Incredible for mostly a one man operation. Slackware is designed so
much better than anything I've tried it's just no contest. In fact I'm
still using 10.2 with kernel 2.6.19 as it's just a joy to use. I'm
slowly building my version 11 but 10.2 has been so good to me I almost
hate to switch.
--
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Email - rsgibson@verizon.borg
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On Jan 26, 5:35 pm, r...@biteme.org wrote:
> About the only advantage that linux has
> over windoze is that it can be compiled and that all the extra shit
> can be weeded out.

Amen!

That, and reduced Profanities Per Hour. Better looking, faster, no
bizarre reboots, community support, free source, free cost, and Unix-
like.

But besides all that, what has Linux ever done for us?

-Beej

rm@biteme.org wrote:
> King Beowulf <kingbeowulf@nospam.gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That is just so much bullshit. You, sir, are an ass. 99% of
>> computer users, no matter how expert and skilled, do not need to
>> compile the kernel of any OS.
>
> That's good. Because 99% of computer users, use Windoze, which they
> can't compile, even if they wanted to.
>

Misquote/Leap of Faith. You must be a preacher. Can you read? Or you don't bother to
read in order to forward your own agenda?

"99% of computer users" != "99% of computer users use windoze"

> Sure it does. And it runs all kinds of garbage, "right out of the
> box" that isn't required. About the only advantage that linux has
> over windoze is that it can be compiled and that all the extra shit
> can be weeded out.

So what? It has less that most, not all of it loads at run time and you can choose
not to install some of it.

> About the only advantage that linux has
> over windoze is that it can be compiled and that all the extra shit
> can be weeded out.
>
You, sir, are clueless. That is *not* a good reason to pick any OS over any other.

> And since the ability to compile, or even simply to read the source,
> is about the only advantage linux has over windoze, what would be
> the point of using linux if you weren't going to compile the kernel?
>
Because it is open source? freedom of choice? Boycott a corporation that still uses
unethical trade practices and releases s/w full of bugs ad calls it good?

--snip----
>
> Why are you compiling the 2.6 kernel? We thought that linux was
> ready to go, right out of the box?
>
> Hmm?

The linux distro Slackware is. I do what I do because it's a fun hobby. 5 laptops,
4 workstations, 1 media PC, 1 OS9 PowerPC Mac, and one soon to be home server
(Slackware, Gentoo, SLAMD64, Win2K, WinXP, OS9,X). Boxes of misc parts, and great
heaps I've refurbished/donated, sold, or recycled. For over 30 years I have never
been a "typical" user.

> And you call _us_ a troll?

Again the misquote; or delusions of royalty. "You" != "Us"

> cordially, as always,
>
> rm

You have always been uncordial, insulting to those simply asking for help, rude,
obnoxious, and yes, quite the ass.

Ron Gibson wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:51:38 -0700, King Beowulf wrote:
>
----snip---
>
> True, but compiling a kernel is really not that hard.

Yes, due to the excellent "make menuconfig" otherwise even some seasoned programmers
would have difficulty (not everyone can be a kernel programmer). Developing a kernel
is a special skill that takes awhile to learn.

---snip----

> In fact I'm
> still using 10.2 with kernel 2.6.19 as it's just a joy to use. I'm
> slowly building my version 11 but 10.2 has been so good to me I almost
> hate to switch.

I have found 11 a bit more responsive on my old laptops (PIII-800 and 900 MHz DRAM),
especially after stripping out the unneeded bits. Wifi works better as well. Give it
a whirl.

King Beowulf <kingbeowulf@nospam.gmail.com> wrote:
> rm@biteme.org wrote:
>> King Beowulf <kingbeowulf@nospam.gmail.com> wrote:

>> That's good. Because 99% of computer users, use Windoze, which they
>> can't compile, even if they wanted to.

> Misquote/Leap of Faith. You must be a preacher. Can you read? Or
> you don't bother to read in order to forward your own agenda?

> "99% of computer users" != "99% of computer users use windoze"

That's nice. But 99% of computer users do use windoze, whether you
like it or not.

>> Sure it does. And it runs all kinds of garbage, "right out of
>> the box" that isn't required. About the only advantage that
>> linux has over windoze is that it can be compiled and that all
>> the extra shit can be weeded out.

> So what? It has less that most, not all of it loads at run time
> and you can choose not to install some of it.

There is no point in having a ton of drivers around that won't work
on your system. And this is especially frustrating when the one
driver you need has not been written yet. If you are using top of
the line hardware, then you better be using windoze if you want to
take advantage of the new hardware's features. We have a Dell AIO
printer and we have never even bothered to try to get it going with
slackware because it is easier to simply dual boot and run the
printer from windoze.

>> About the only advantage that linux has over windoze is that it
>> can be compiled and that all the extra shit can be weeded out.

> You, sir, are clueless. That is *not* a good reason to pick any OS
> over any other.

You don't have to call us "sir." "Your Worship" is more
appropriate. And the ability to remove extraneous shit really is a
good reason to pick an OS.

>> And since the ability to compile, or even simply to read the
>> source, is about the only advantage linux has over windoze, what
>> would be the point of using linux if you weren't going to compile
>> the kernel?

> Because it is open source? freedom of choice? Boycott a
> corporation that still uses unethical trade practices and releases
> s/w full of bugs ad calls it good?

All software is "full" of bugs. Even linux is full of bugs. The
difference lies in who is responsible for fixing those bugs.

> The linux distro Slackware is. I do what I do because it's a fun
> hobby. 5 laptops, 4 workstations, 1 media PC, 1 OS9 PowerPC Mac,
> and one soon to be home server (Slackware, Gentoo, SLAMD64, Win2K,
> WinXP, OS9,X). Boxes of misc parts, and great heaps I've
> refurbished/donated, sold, or recycled. For over 30 years I have
> never been a "typical" user.

You're a legend in your own mind. What computers were you running
over 30 years ago?

cordially, as always,

rm