On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:33:08 +0000, Two Ravens wrote:

> The dictionary I have to hand "The Oxford Concise", only shows Sb as a
> symbol for antimony, and Sth as an abbreviation for South.

Indeed, I frequently have recourse to the latter. It's in the old Unix
spirit of removing anything that looks like a vowel.

Mrk Sth.

Joost Kremers wrote:
> CBFalconer wrote:
>
>> You still haven't identified the sth program.
>
> erm, not sure if you're just kidding or not, but sth is an
> abbreviation for "something"...

Not to any English speaker! Foolish useless and obfuscative
abbreviations in Usenet articles are abominations.

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serge_moscou wrote:

> hello
>
> my very small (600mb) root partition ( file server )
> was filled up to 300 mb at the beginning but very quickly
> sth ate up all space. (maybe some log files)
>
> How to free up some space and where to look and what to delete?
>
>
> Thank you

Funny how you didn't copy/paste the subject as well as the body to c.o.l.h.

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CBFalconer wrote:

> Joost Kremers wrote:
>> CBFalconer wrote:
>>
>>> You still haven't identified the sth program.
>>
>> erm, not sure if you're just kidding or not, but sth is an
>> abbreviation for "something"...
>
> Not to any English speaker! *Foolish useless and obfuscative
> abbreviations in Usenet articles are abominations.
>

ROFLMAO

You should see what kids use in Instant Messaging if you think that's bad.
Besides it being incredibly funny that you don't seem to react this way to
all the offensive language ...

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mark south wrote:

> Mrk Sth.

But South is normally abbreviated as S ...

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Two Ravens wrote:
> If I recall correctly the majority of those who speak English speak
> Indian 'English' or are taught to speak it in India, (some Japanese
> students for example), it being Joost's speciality, linguistics, not
> English, no doubt he'll be able to tell us.

well, not really... i'm no expert on english. all i can do in this case is
quote wikipedia, which says:


"Of those nations where English is spoken as a second language, India has
the most such speakers ('Indian English') and it has been claimed that,
combining native and non-native speakers, India now has more people who
speak or understand English than any other country in the world"
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language>

for the source for this claim, wikipedia refers to
<http://education.guardian.co.uk/tefl/story/0,,1355064,00.html>.

most of these speakers are second-language learners, and the criterion is
apparently having "the ability to carry on a conversation in english".


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CBFalconer wrote:
> Joost Kremers wrote:
>> erm, not sure if you're just kidding or not, but sth is an
>> abbreviation for "something"...
>
> Not to any English speaker!

hah, you'd wish! the sheer fact that it is used proves this statement
wrong. unless you wish to imply that anyone who uses and understands "sth"
as "something" is not a "true" english speaker. but then you'd be saying
that the people working on the cambridge dictionary are not "true" english
speakers. in my opinion a questionable statement, to say the least.

> Foolish useless and obfuscative
> abbreviations in Usenet articles are abominations.

well, that's a matter of opinion, really. but i do agree that if your goal
is to be understood as well as possible and by as many people as possible,
it is better to avoid potentially confusing abbreviations.


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Joost Kremers <joostkremers@yahoo.com> wrote:

> most of these speakers are second-language learners, and the criterion is
> apparently having "the ability to carry on a conversation in english".

Yes, but most of the people we get from India on technical support
and credit card sales desks, don't have a general ability to carry
out a conversation.

cordially, as always,

rm

On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 19:49:43 +0000, Joost Kremers wrote:

> CBFalconer wrote:
>> Joost Kremers wrote:
>>> erm, not sure if you're just kidding or not, but sth is an
>>> abbreviation for "something"...
>>
>> Not to any English speaker!
>
> hah, you'd wish! the sheer fact that it is used proves this statement
> wrong. unless you wish to imply that anyone who uses and understands
> "sth" as "something" is not a "true" english speaker.

I may add up to this that I don't use "sth" but I did understand it
for what it was, I'm not a "true" english speaker (I have to honestly
make this precision just in case Valentine Michael Smith just went back
from Mars or a stranger land and wasn't immediaty capable to read minds)
so some people with loose logic circuitry would think RFIDawk's has a
point ;-)


> but then you'd be
> saying that "the people working on the cambridge dictionary are not
> "true" english speakers. in my opinion a questionable statement, to say
> the least.

I do agree with you on this point! To my knowledge(s), and I include
carnal in these, this is right
"
the people working on the cambridge dictionary are not "true"
"

This as well is right:
"
people working on the cambridge dictionary are not
"

And you are right again with your end of loop :
"
the ppl wrkn on d cambridge dictionary are not "true" english spkrs
"

Now, as we both were the pair in Oxbridge to drive home the poor
imps diced to the secret camdix you may remember they weren't
exactly english *"speakers"* (I mean outside the rum barrels attacks)
but mainly english word 'writhers' with an "etch a spetch and lets
pretend it's always bee the right spalleenk" taste, not to mention the
fact it was really handy this way to find a line for some thesis ;D)

>
>> Foolish useless and obfuscative
>> abbreviations in Usenet articles are abominations.
>
> well, that's a matter of opinion, really. but i do agree that if your
> goal is to be understood as well as possible and by as many people as
> possible, it is better to avoid potentially confusing abbreviations.

+1 ;-)

Miguel De Anda wrote:
> serge_moscou wrote:
>>
>> my very small (600mb) root partition ( file server )
>> was filled up to 300 mb at the beginning but very quickly
>> sth ate up all space. (maybe some log files)
>>
>> How to free up some space and where to look and what to delete?
>
> Funny how you didn't copy/paste the subject as well as the body
> to c.o.l.h.

I suggest "rm smth". I assume smth is intended to represent the
file "solidlyMonstrousTransvestiteHorror"

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