Manuel Otto wrote:
>
.... snip ...
>
> P.S. *REALLY* didn't ment to offend anyone living in the USA, it's
> just that I got allergic to USA policy and behaviour in our world.
>
> And the long-time damage to world-stability they course, and the
> terrorism they feed with an insane amount of calories.
>
> I might have better kept my mouth shot... = :-(

Well, right here in the USA about 30% of population approve of the
Presidents actions, so you are not alone. However the
parliamentary system here is arranged such that he doesn't go.
This has advantages and disadvantages. At the moment the
disadvantages seem supreme.

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On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 02:59:04 GMT, ~kurt <actinouranium@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>Manuel Otto <not-for-mail@adress.is.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> And the long-time damage to world-stability they course, and the
>> terrorism they feed with an insane amount of calories.
>
>Don't forget to be pissed off at the Brits then. Much of the instability in
>the world is due to how they arbitrarily drew borders across their empire
>with no regard to tribes and whatnot. Both the US and the Brits really set
>the stage for all the problems we have now at the end of WWII. Sit down and
>talk to a WWII vet one of these days to get a very interesting perspective.
>
>- Kurt

I think whe are all guilty:

Former colonialists drew borders where no borders should be:
artificial states.

The Dutch (me) where much involved with slaves...

The fact that I don't have hunger has to do with how rich my country
is now; we got also rich from slave trade.

The Europians silenced the Indians, and then became Americans.

Things from hundreds of years ago are still there, and will remain, if
not solved.

I am Europian. I'm no better as an American, only thing is: Americans
want to dominate the world lately, but they make a terrable job of it.

Germany also had its colonies before the war.

And other countries.

I'm no better or no worse as anyone living in any other country.

Just happens that USA pisses me of lately, because what they do sucks.

What if the United States of Europe had excisted, and not the USA? We
(USE) would propabily have made the same mistakes.

So much debt still to pay off, if we don't, we will suffer.

I may sound like a communist, I'm not. I'm not a kapitalist either. I
believe in sharing (open source!, communism), and keeping something to
youself (closed source, if you've worked very hard for it,
kapitalism).

I don't believe in idelogies, like communism or kapitalism. Just nno
different from religion, temporay adaptations to what's needed at the
moment.

Past years of exploitation can not be changed, only future. Every
single moment now makes future.

Iraq is a HUGE mistake, but a fact. You can not just withdrawn, cause
you have to solve the problem, USA caused the problem, and have to
solve, in whatever way.

I think World is a mess nowadays (but maybe just the same 20.000 years
ago, only less complicated), (and no Slackware, then :-)

On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, ~kurt wrote:

> Manuel Otto <not-for-mail@adress.is.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> And the long-time damage to world-stability they course, and the
>> terrorism they feed with an insane amount of calories.
>
> Don't forget to be pissed off at the Brits then. Much of the instability in
> the world is due to how they arbitrarily drew borders across their empire
> with no regard to tribes and whatnot. Both the US and the Brits really set
> the stage for all the problems we have now at the end of WWII. Sit down and
> talk to a WWII vet one of these days to get a very interesting perspective.

i'd suggest reading up on T. E. Lawrence, aka 'Lawrence of Arabia",
and the carving up of the Austro-Hungarian empire at the end of
world war one by both the French and the British. And of course
US/Soviet Cold War meddling just made things worse.

But what Bush and Cheney have done is a horrific war crime. They
deserve to be hauled before the World Court and let Justice be served.

After impeachment.

--
William Hunt, Portland Oregon USA

William Hunt wrote:
>
.... snip ...
>
> i'd suggest reading up on T. E. Lawrence, aka 'Lawrence of Arabia",
> and the carving up of the Austro-Hungarian empire at the end of
> world war one by both the French and the British. And of course
> US/Soviet Cold War meddling just made things worse.

The British and French did nothing to Austro-Hungary after WWI. It
broke up out of its own accord.

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"Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> escreveu na mensagem
newsan.2007.04.19.02.12.16.447331@lan.invalid...
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 03:34:20 +0200, Manuel Otto wrote:
>
>>>Yeah, OK. Try to remember that the next time one of your little
>>>postage-stamp countries gets in trouble with a bully, and needs somebody
>>>to bail them out again. Maybe this time we'll say: Bugger off!
>
>> I'm sorry if I've heard your feelings, seriously.
>
> Fuck off, Win-droid moron, seriously.
>
>
> --
> "Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".
>

Mr DanC:

Your attitude in this thread is not of a person who defends - or even
respects for that matter - democracy, freedom of speech and debate.
If, to this, we add up the fact that you don't help anyone using Slackware
Linux - either by showing pointers, presenting solutions or giving simple
suggestions, I have something to say to you:
In the context of AOLS - and I stress: in the context of AOLS - you are a
worthless piece of shit.

Best regards

Paulo Costa

On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:13:15 +0100, Paulo Costa wrote:

>> Fuck off, Win-droid moron, seriously.

> Your attitude in this thread is not of a person who defends - or even

Yep, they start coming out of the woodwork in cases like this. Another
ignorant Win-droid chimes in.

Fuck off, Win-droid moron, seriously.


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~kurt wrote:
> Manuel Otto <not-for-mail@adress.is.invalid> wrote:
>> And the long-time damage to world-stability they course, and the
>> terrorism they feed with an insane amount of calories.
>
> Don't forget to be pissed off at the Brits then. Much of the instability in
> the world is due to how they arbitrarily drew borders across their empire
> with no regard to tribes and whatnot. Both the US and the Brits really set
> the stage for all the problems we have now at the end of WWII. Sit down and
> talk to a WWII vet one of these days to get a very interesting perspective.
>
> - Kurt

Actually I'd suggest reading "Paris 1919" by Margaret MacMillan. An authoritative review of the roots
of almost all of the warfare that has occurred in the world for the last 70 years.

the_bmac wrote:

> Actually I'd suggest reading "Paris 1919" by Margaret MacMillan. *An
> authoritative review of the roots of almost all of the warfare that has
> occurred in the world for the last 70 years.

It all depends on what you regard as 'authoritative', all history is a
narrative from a personal perspective, written by an individual, using
source material that they have selected. 'Authoritative' is usually
defined as "the version 'I' prefer to believe".
--
Two Ravens
"...hit the squirrel..."

Two Ravens wrote:
> the_bmac wrote:
>
>> Actually I'd suggest reading "Paris 1919" by Margaret MacMillan. An
>> authoritative review of the roots of almost all of the warfare that has
>> occurred in the world for the last 70 years.
>
> It all depends on what you regard as 'authoritative', all history is a
> narrative from a personal perspective, written by an individual, using
> source material that they have selected. 'Authoritative' is usually
> defined as "the version 'I' prefer to believe".

That's pretty obvious. Read the book and decide for yourself.

the_bmac wrote:

> That's pretty obvious. *Read the book and decide for yourself.

At the moment I'm somewhat behind with the books I want to read, and there
are a number of other calls on my time. I think I'll stick to those on my
present list, and library table. But by all means let us have a somewhat
deeper review of the work.
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"...hit the squirrel..."