On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:16:12 -0400, CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Manuel Otto wrote:
>>
>... snip ...
>>
>> P.S. *REALLY* didn't ment to offend anyone living in the USA, it's
>> just that I got allergic to USA policy and behaviour in our world.
>>
>> And the long-time damage to world-stability they course, and the
>> terrorism they feed with an insane amount of calories.
>>
>> I might have better kept my mouth shot... = :-(
>
>Well, right here in the USA about 30% of population approve of the
>Presidents actions, so you are not alone. However the
>parliamentary system here is arranged such that he doesn't go.
>This has advantages and disadvantages. At the moment the
>disadvantages seem supreme.

I've always found it very strange that USA regards itself as having
the best type of democracy, but that in reality it is only a 2 party
system.

Not really a 'rich' kind of democracy.

And a president with really to much power...

On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:57:44 -0500, Dan C
<youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote:

>On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:13:15 +0100, Paulo Costa wrote:
>
>>> Fuck off, Win-droid moron, seriously.
>
>> Your attitude in this thread is not of a person who defends - or even
>
>Yep, they start coming out of the woodwork in cases like this. Another
>ignorant Win-droid chimes in.
>
>Fuck off, Win-droid moron, seriously.

Just out of curiousity: what is a 'Win-droid'? = ;-))

On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:12:52 +0200, Manuel Otto wrote:

>>Fuck off, Win-droid moron, seriously.

> Just out of curiousity: what is a 'Win-droid'? = ;-))

An ignorant fool using Windoze, and posting in a Linux newsgroup like they
actually know something.

> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American)

Like you, for example.

Bugger off.


--
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:30:56 -0500, Dan C
<youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote:

>On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:12:52 +0200, Manuel Otto wrote:
>
>>>Fuck off, Win-droid moron, seriously.
>
>> Just out of curiousity: what is a 'Win-droid'? = ;-))
>
>An ignorant fool using Windoze, and posting in a Linux newsgroup like they
>actually know something.
>
>> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American)

Jou overlooked that part of the header of my posts which says:

Organization: winehq.com

>Like you, for example.

Wooha! = ;-))

>Bugger off.

Am here to stay for many years to come, I hope :-)

William Hunt <wjh@prv8.net> wrote:
>
> But what Bush and Cheney have done is a horrific war crime. They
> deserve to be hauled before the World Court and let Justice be served.

We don't participate in the World Court.

Still, which decision exactly is it that you view as a crime worthy of
"war crime" status?

Would you feel differently if they had found WMDs?

I believe Bush & Co had good intentions. A more stable middle east is
good for the rest of the world, and the US is the only one that can
step up to the plate to do it. My gripe against people's bitching about
the Pres is their accusation that he intentionally misled the world.
Wrong, the White House does not generate intelligence. It only uses it.
It came to the wrong conclusion - they made the assumption that Iraq
had WMDs, and they set out to prove that to themselves. They invaded
Iraq fully expecting to find WMDs, and believing the rest of the world would
jump on board when they did. They did find that Saddam was in the process
of trying to start a chemical weapons program, but that was it for WMDs.
No bio, no nuclear. That wasn't enough to win people over.

Under the Clinton Administration, all these senators and congressmen
who are now saying Bush misled them were saying Saddam is a threat,
and that *something* needs to be done about his WMDs. Give me a break.

When the invasion was over, it was either the Pentagon, or the State Dept
(they were both in a pissing contest) who made a huge mistake. Against the
White House's wishes, they rejected the entire former Iraqi army, and
everyone who was a member of the Baath party. Essentially, they turned
every one of these people into an enemy. It was literally days later
that the post-invasion fighting took off. It isn't suicide bombers
that are the problem killing most of our troops, it is Iraqi people
ambushing, blowing up, and sniping them. The news calls them terrorists -
but in reality they are just an enemy fighting a Guerrilla war.

The big mistake made by the President was starting a war he for which he
had no intention of making the sacrifices needed to accomplish. You
don't start a war unless you are willing to institute a draft and create
a major force to be reckoned with. We in the US have grown soft, and weak
(like the rest of the "civilized" world). We don't have the guts to
accomplish anything that is hard anymore. Now China - there is a country
that is hungry. They will do some amazing things over the next 50 years.

- Kurt

Manuel Otto <not-for-mail@adress.is.invalid> wrote:

> I am Europian. I'm no better as an American, only thing is: Americans
> want to dominate the world lately, but they make a terrable job of it.

Well, we want to remain dominant in the world. We just don't have what it
takes to do it anymore. We are old, soft, complacent - not hungry. We just
want to keep what we have.

> I may sound like a communist, I'm not. I'm not a kapitalist either. I
> believe in sharing (open source!, communism), and keeping something to
> youself (closed source, if you've worked very hard for it,
> kapitalism).

Eh, I see nothing communist about open source. Well, some of the big
names are commies, saying all software should be open source. I view
it as a take-it-or-leave it kind of thing. If you don't agree to the
terms, then write your own closed source app. If you want to use someone
else's intellectual property, then you must abide by their terms. Open source
doe not eliminate intellectual property - it protects it. Communism is, in
a single statement, the elimination of personal property. I see open source
as being about more freedoms and rights for the users. Not more restrictions
and rules.

> Iraq is a HUGE mistake, but a fact. You can not just withdrawn, cause
> you have to solve the problem, USA caused the problem, and have to
> solve, in whatever way.

Look at what happened to Afghanistan when the Ruskies just up and left.
Yes, we have a responsibility to finish what we started.

> I think World is a mess nowadays (but maybe just the same 20.000 years
> ago, only less complicated), (and no Slackware, then :-)

It has always been a mess.

- Kurt

"Manuel Otto" <not-for-mail@adress.is.invalid> wrote in message
news:d41d23lehi0i09jshvandlj4r57fqopbli@4ax.com...
> Nice, but long reading on open source Linux, Unix, BSD, very
> informative:
>
> ' The sorry state of open source today
>
> Written by Radu-Cristian Fotescu
> Apr 14, 2007 at 11:51 PM
>
> Article Index
> The sorry state of open source today
> 1. The kernel and friends, take one
> 2. The bugs, out in the open
> 3. Our friends, the software patents
> 4. Devils advocate: what if...
> 5. Detrimental to Linux at large
> 6. The lost battle of the GPLv3
> 7. The business model
> 8. The package management
> 9. What does it mean to be stable
> 10. Eye-candy: competing with Vista?
> 11. The security model
> 12. Hype vs. real needs
> 13. Our friends are our foes
> 14. You can leave your hat on
> 15. Documentation, at large
> 16. Fixing bugs by not fixing them at all
> 17. The Debian kindergarten
> 18. Freedom and myths
> 19. The kernel 2.6.20
> 20. 2.6.16 and 2.4.35: does anyone care?
> 21. KDE vs. GNOME
> 22. Alice in BSD-land
> 23. Shooting yourself in the foot
> 24. The awakening
> 25. Whereto?'
>
> http://www.thejemreport.com/mambo/content/view/309/122/
>
> For me I learned much from it, as it is not that long that I am with
> Slackware.
>
> Positive article on Slackware too.

Not sure how people took this off topic into a political debate. It'd be
nice if people stayed on topic since this is a slackware newsgroup. I would
suggest alt.politics is a better place for political debate.

~kurt <actinouranium@earthlink.net> wrote:

> I believe Bush & Co had good intentions. A more stable middle
> east is good for the rest of the world, and the US is the only one
> that can step up to the plate to do it. My gripe against people's
> bitching about the Pres is their accusation that he intentionally
> misled the world. Wrong, the White House does not generate
> intelligence. It only uses it. It came to the wrong conclusion -
> they made the assumption that Iraq had WMDs, and they set out to
> prove that to themselves. They invaded Iraq fully expecting to
> find WMDs, and believing the rest of the world would jump on board
> when they did. They did find that Saddam was in the process of
> trying to start a chemical weapons program, but that was it for
> WMDs. No bio, no nuclear. That wasn't enough to win people over.

The US position was that Saddam must have WMD because he was unable
to prove that he didn't have such weapons. The logic is laughable
and is the reason that our country did not participate in this
lunacy, even though we were and are still in Afghanistan.

> Under the Clinton Administration, all these senators and
> congressmen who are now saying Bush misled them were saying Saddam
> is a threat, and that *something* needs to be done about his WMDs.
> Give me a break.

Who are these Senators? Bush made the call. And he made it clear
that everyone who disagreed with him was not "supporting the troops"
and was thus, a traitor.

> When the invasion was over, it was either the Pentagon, or the
> State Dept (they were both in a pissing contest) who made a huge
> mistake. Against the White House's wishes, they rejected the
> entire former Iraqi army, and everyone who was a member of the
> Baath party. Essentially, they turned every one of these people
> into an enemy.

The US turned everyone in the country into an enemy.

> It was literally days later that the post-invasion fighting took
> off. It isn't suicide bombers that are the problem killing most
> of our troops, it is Iraqi people ambushing, blowing up, and
> sniping them. The news calls them terrorists - but in reality
> they are just an enemy fighting a Guerrilla war.

This is true. The news does not call them terrorists. Bush calls
them terrorists. Bush calls them El Queda and El Queda in Iraq and
all kinds of other nonsense to confuse the "insurgents" in Iraq with
those in Afghanistan.

> The big mistake made by the President was starting a war he for
> which he had no intention of making the sacrifices needed to
> accomplish. You don't start a war unless you are willing to
> institute a draft and create a major force to be reckoned with.
> We in the US have grown soft, and weak (like the rest of the
> "civilized" world). We don't have the guts to accomplish anything
> that is hard anymore. Now China - there is a country that is
> hungry. They will do some amazing things over the next 50 years.

China will fall apart, pretty much the same way that the Soviet
Union did. China is becoming increasingly dependent on oil and that
dependence is going to cost them dearly.

cordially, as always,

rm

~kurt <actinouranium@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Manuel Otto <not-for-mail@adress.is.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I am Europian. I'm no better as an American, only thing is:
>> Americans want to dominate the world lately, but they make a
>> terrable job of it.
>
> Well, we want to remain dominant in the world. We just don't have
> what it takes to do it anymore. We are old, soft, complacent -
> not hungry. We just want to keep what we have.

You don't speak for all Americans. Nobody does. Some Americans are
soft and some aren't. It's silly to make generalizations.

>> I may sound like a communist, I'm not. I'm not a kapitalist
>> either. I believe in sharing (open source!, communism), and
>> keeping something to youself (closed source, if you've worked
>> very hard for it, kapitalism).

> Eh, I see nothing communist about open source. Well, some of the
> big names are commies, saying all software should be open source.
> I view it as a take-it-or-leave it kind of thing. If you don't
> agree to the terms, then write your own closed source app. If you
> want to use someone else's intellectual property, then you must
> abide by their terms. Open source doe not eliminate intellectual
> property - it protects it. Communism is, in a single statement,
> the elimination of personal property. I see open source as being
> about more freedoms and rights for the users. Not more
> restrictions and rules.

Why is software being characterized as being communist or
democratic? What's the point?

>> Iraq is a HUGE mistake, but a fact. You can not just withdrawn,
>> cause you have to solve the problem, USA caused the problem, and
>> have to solve, in whatever way.

> Look at what happened to Afghanistan when the Ruskies just up and
> left. Yes, we have a responsibility to finish what we started.

When the Russians left, the people installed a government that was
consistent with their Muslim world view. The Americans came in,
took that government away, and now they are surprised that nobody
wants the American style government.

Gee.

cordially, as always,

rm

On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 02:33:09 +0200, Manuel Otto wrote:

>>> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American)

> Jou overlooked that part of the header of my posts which says:
> Organization: winehq.com

No, I didn't. Doesn't matter. You're still a wanker for (supposedly)
running a windoze app under Linux. Why don't you use a Linux newsreader?

>>Bugger off.

> Am here to stay for many years to come, I hope :-)

I doubt it.


--
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".