Nice, but long reading on open source Linux, Unix, BSD, very
informative:

' The sorry state of open source today

Written by Radu-Cristian Fotescu
Apr 14, 2007 at 11:51 PM

Article Index
The sorry state of open source today
1. The kernel and friends, take one
2. The bugs, out in the open
3. Our friends, the software patents
4. Devils advocate: what if...
5. Detrimental to Linux at large
6. The lost battle of the GPLv3
7. The business model
8. The package management
9. What does it mean to be stable
10. Eye-candy: competing with Vista?
11. The security model
12. Hype vs. real needs
13. Our friends are our foes
14. You can leave your hat on
15. Documentation, at large
16. Fixing bugs by not fixing them at all
17. The Debian kindergarten
18. Freedom and myths
19. The kernel 2.6.20
20. 2.6.16 and 2.4.35: does anyone care?
21. KDE vs. GNOME
22. Alice in BSD-land
23. Shooting yourself in the foot
24. The awakening
25. Whereto?'

http://www.thejemreport.com/mambo/content/view/309/122/

For me I learned much from it, as it is not that long that I am with
Slackware.

Positive article on Slackware too.

Manuel Otto wrote:

> Nice, but long reading on open source Linux, Unix, BSD, very
> informative:
>
> ' The sorry state of open source today
>
> Written by Radu-Cristian Fotescu
>
snip
>
> For me I learned much from it, as it is not that long that I am with
> Slackware.
>

Just three points.

1. Nothing is perfect
2. Circumstances change
3. It's just one person's point of view - no more valid than any other.

Ian

Ian Bell wrote:

> Manuel Otto wrote:
>
>> Nice, but long reading on open source Linux, Unix, BSD, very
>> informative:
>>
>> ' The sorry state of open source today
>>
>> Written by Radu-Cristian Fotescu
>>
> snip
>>
>> For me I learned much from it, as it is not that long that I am with
>> Slackware.
>>
>
> Just three points.
>
> 1. Nothing is perfect
> 2. Circumstances change
> 3. It's just one person's point of view - no more valid than any other.
>
> Ian

Oops, I should have added:

4. The USA is NOT the centre of the universe.

Ian

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:27:08 +0100, Ian Bell <ruffrecords@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

>Ian Bell wrote:
>
>> Manuel Otto wrote:
>>
>>> Nice, but long reading on open source Linux, Unix, BSD, very
>>> informative:
>>>
>>> ' The sorry state of open source today
>>>
>>> Written by Radu-Cristian Fotescu
>>>
>> snip
>>>
>>> For me I learned much from it, as it is not that long that I am with
>>> Slackware.
>>>
>>
>> Just three points.
>>
>> 1. Nothing is perfect

I don't have that illision...

>> 2. Circumstances change
>> 3. It's just one person's point of view - no more valid than any other.

And not necesarily entirely my view, but, I like criticism, especially
if most of the time I see only 'followers', people with no criticism,
like a religion.

I like the cynical tone of the article. (Too much just being sweet and
nice to each other and people all over repeting the same views).

I know there are many views, but one can not view them all. I happen
to agree with the view of the articles author.

I like Slackware (though not perfect either), I like FreeBSD (played
with it a very little bit one year ago). The author likes Slackware
(for it's simplicity and being not bleeding edge). The more I
understand, beginner as I am, the more I appreciate Slackware for the
same reasons. He likes FreeBSD, me too :-)

Article is just one of many opinions, but confirms my
feelings/visions.

>> Ian
>
>Oops, I should have added:
>
>4. The USA is NOT the centre of the universe.

No empire lasts forever, USA has allready started its downfall...

USA helped my parents and grandparents liberate us from the Nazis.
That gave them lots of credits. Without their help in the second world
war I might not even have existed (or spoke German instead of Dutch).

For many people in Europe they've used up all their credits (Iraq,
Guantanamo, Hiroshima, nuclear, Iran, hypocrism, so called 'Weapons of
Mass Destruction' in Iraq, lies).

I just find USA (NOT the american people, but its government, its
policies, its arrogance) disgusting.

I think about what I wrote: why do I reply so off-topic to a single
sentence? I think because the negative feeling against is USA is very
deep in me, took years to develope to that level, but I'm not the only
one in Europe feeling that way.

Enough now, before I say much more sarcastic things...

>Ian

Manuel

On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:53:20 +0200, Manuel Otto
<not-for-mail@adress.is.invalid> wrote:

>On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:27:08 +0100, Ian Bell <ruffrecords@yahoo.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>Ian Bell wrote:
>>
>>> Manuel Otto wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nice, but long reading on open source Linux, Unix, BSD, very
>>>> informative:
>>>>
>>>> ' The sorry state of open source today
>>>>
>>>> Written by Radu-Cristian Fotescu
>>>>
>>> snip
>>>>
>>>> For me I learned much from it, as it is not that long that I am with
>>>> Slackware.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Just three points.
>>>
>>> 1. Nothing is perfect
>
>I don't have that illision...
>
>>> 2. Circumstances change
>>> 3. It's just one person's point of view - no more valid than any other.
>
>And not necesarily entirely my view, but, I like criticism, especially
>if most of the time I see only 'followers', people with no criticism,
>like a religion.
>
>I like the cynical tone of the article. (Too much just being sweet and
>nice to each other and people all over repeting the same views).
>
>I know there are many views, but one can not view them all. I happen
>to agree with the view of the articles author.
>
>I like Slackware (though not perfect either), I like FreeBSD (played
>with it a very little bit one year ago). The author likes Slackware
>(for it's simplicity and being not bleeding edge). The more I
>understand, beginner as I am, the more I appreciate Slackware for the
>same reasons. He likes FreeBSD, me too :-)
>
>Article is just one of many opinions, but confirms my
>feelings/visions.
>
>>> Ian
>>
>>Oops, I should have added:
>>
>>4. The USA is NOT the centre of the universe.
>
>No empire lasts forever, USA has allready started its downfall...
>
>USA helped my parents and grandparents liberate us from the Nazis.
>That gave them lots of credits. Without their help in the second world
>war I might not even have existed (or spoke German instead of Dutch).
>
>For many people in Europe they've used up all their credits (Iraq,
>Guantanamo, Hiroshima, nuclear, Iran, hypocrism, so called 'Weapons of
>Mass Destruction' in Iraq, lies).
>
>I just find USA (NOT the american people, but its government, its
>policies, its arrogance) disgusting.
>
>I think about what I wrote: why do I reply so off-topic to a single
>sentence? I think because the negative feeling against is USA is very
>deep in me, took years to develope to that level, but I'm not the only
>one in Europe feeling that way.
>
>Enough now, before I say much more sarcastic things...
>
>>Ian
>
>Manuel

P.S. *REALLY* didn't ment to offend anyone living in the USA, it's
just that I got allergic to USA policy and behaviour in our world.

And the long-time damage to world-stability they course, and the
terrorism they feed with an insane amount of calories.

I might have better kept my mouth shot... = :-(

Flame will be on me, or discussion?

On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:53:20 +0200, Manuel Otto wrote:

> I think about what I wrote: why do I reply so off-topic to a single
> sentence? I think because the negative feeling against is USA is very
> deep in me, took years to develope to that level, but I'm not the only
> one in Europe feeling that way.

Yeah, OK. Try to remember that the next time one of your little
postage-stamp countries gets in trouble with a bully, and needs somebody
to bail them out again. Maybe this time we'll say: Bugger off!


--
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:43:03 -0500, Dan C
<youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote:

>On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:53:20 +0200, Manuel Otto wrote:
>
>> I think about what I wrote: why do I reply so off-topic to a single
>> sentence? I think because the negative feeling against is USA is very
>> deep in me, took years to develope to that level, but I'm not the only
>> one in Europe feeling that way.
>
>Yeah, OK. Try to remember that the next time one of your little
>postage-stamp countries gets in trouble with a bully, and needs somebody
>to bail them out again. Maybe this time we'll say: Bugger off!

I'm sorry if I've heard your feelings, seriously.

Didn't mean to do that, was just angry at USA policy.

I am thankfull, and my relatives who've experienced the war are even
more:

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babel...2Fwo2inNed.htm

But what would you do if one of your close friends just 'changes'
somehow?

Starts torturing (Guantanamo), invading countries for no good reasin
(Iraq), and they even get away with it!

Makes terrorism grow, instead of shrink.

Saying things like 'axes of evil', which is quite provocative to the
countries it concerns (the opposite of dimplomacy at least).

Saying things like 'you're with us, or you're against us'.

Maybe in future invading Iran = the next big long-during shit in this
world, seeding even more terrorism.

I understand there's a million different experiences in this. Like the
soldiers in Iraq mostly believe they truley fight for a good course.

Those who died for no reason... Those who die daily, Americans and
Iraqies.

It just sucks enormously, because your political leaders decided to do
so.

Not blaiming you (offended you, but didn't ment too), not blaming most
Americans.

Though at the next elections you have a choice, and therefore
aresponsability.

Dan C, that's "C" for Cockspank people, wrote:

> Yeah, OK. Try to remember that the next time one of your little
> postage-stamp countries gets in trouble with a bully, and needs somebody
> to bail them out again. Maybe this time we'll say: Bugger off!


you mean like Grenada?... oh...sorry...nevermind

On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 03:34:20 +0200, Manuel Otto wrote:

>>Yeah, OK. Try to remember that the next time one of your little
>>postage-stamp countries gets in trouble with a bully, and needs somebody
>>to bail them out again. Maybe this time we'll say: Bugger off!

> I'm sorry if I've heard your feelings, seriously.

Fuck off, Win-droid moron, seriously.


--
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".

Manuel Otto <not-for-mail@adress.is.invalid> wrote:
>
> And the long-time damage to world-stability they course, and the
> terrorism they feed with an insane amount of calories.

Don't forget to be pissed off at the Brits then. Much of the instability in
the world is due to how they arbitrarily drew borders across their empire
with no regard to tribes and whatnot. Both the US and the Brits really set
the stage for all the problems we have now at the end of WWII. Sit down and
talk to a WWII vet one of these days to get a very interesting perspective.

- Kurt