William Hunt <wjh@prv8.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007, rm@biteme.org wrote:

>> But we find it telling that you are aware of that picture's
>> location.

> front page news on slashdot.org this morning, that's all.
> knowing your anal proclivities, thought it appropo.
> glad that you enjoyed it :*)

Aren't you the one who likes to say, "Been there. Done that."

cordially, as always,

rm

Mike wrote:
> Does anybody know if there is a similar project to Damn Small Linux, but
> Slackware based? I'm thinking about the "run everything in ram" thing
> here and the reduction in required HDD space etc. (Yeah, guess what I've
> been playing with?
>

IBM Thinkpad Pentuim 233MMX 64MB DRAM Slackware 11.0 (2.4.33.3) is my "play around
box". Its LCD went dead so I set it up with slack 11 on the network and ssh into it.

I skipped the install of anything that had to do with X and few other packages don't use.

root@samwise:/proc# df -h
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda1 3.8G 1.3G 2.4G 35% /

This includes a 128MB swap.

You can still strip even more to < 700MB but I got lazy. It all depends on what apps
and libs you need. For example, the above includes full kernel source, compile
tools and HOW-TO/man pages.

On 2007-04-21, Manuel Otto <not-for-mail@adress.is.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:50:42 GMT, in alt.os.linux.slackware you wrote:
>
<snip>
> I've used Slax live CD's before i finally made the switch to Slackware
> Linux, it's quite nice.
>
> When you use the live CD, it has option to load everything into RAM,
> among other options.
>
> If remember well, you can also install it to disk.

You can install Slax to an USB stick as well and boot from
(almost) any computer.
And there is further a nice choice of modules at Slax.
Very impressive


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Mike Slack 11
email: micder at zeelandnet dot nl
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Sylvain Robitaille wrote:

>(superfluous crossposts removed. Why the crossposts to unrelated
>newsgroups?)

By design, misc.misc is there to allow alt newsgroups to propagate
through systems that don't carry them.

I will leave as an exercise for the reader what the purpose
of alt.dev.null is, but mine was an appropriate use.

>In fact, since [the "delete to end of post and reply" key]
>removes all context, it makes it very difficult to know
>what you're following up to, so you might want to reconsider
>using it at all

It leaves in precisely what I am following up to, which is
the line

"[insert troll name here] wrote:"

That's the only context I can reply to, because it's the
only context I read. That's the point; that the words of
the troll go unread even if someone quotes them.

>> and F7 to jump to the next post and train the Bayesian
>> filter to reject all posts from that source.

>Hrmmm ... can you explain the logic behind that one? Bayesian filtering
>is normally based on more than a message's "source"

In this context, "source" means "the person who wrote the message."
That's what the Bayesian filter is attempting to identify, despite
the person attempting to evade killfiles.

>yet given how NNTP works, you initially have very little information
>about a message before the newsreading software downloads the message
>body.

Why are you assuming that my computer isn't downloading message
bodies? In this context "Reject" means "do not display on my
computer screen."

>Could it be that your "Bayesian filter" is nothing more than
>an ordinary killfile?

Nope. I know the difference.

>If you *do* use Bayesian filtering for netnews

I wouldn't have said it if it wasn't true.

>I'd be interested in the details of how it works,

It's the algorithm described here:

http://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html
http://www.paulgraham.com/better.html

....applied to Usenet posts (headers and bodies) rather than
email. For example, the string "concordia" raises the
probability that the source is the one labeled "Sylvain
Robitaille" and the string "MIME-Version" lowers that
probability.

It's a bit of a hack, because I wrote it in C (the language
that NASA used when creating my newsreader) and I suck at C,
but eventually I will rewrite it in FORTH or Python and Open
Source it.

>but most importantly would point out that the source of the
>message is not of particular importance for that type of filtering.

"source" means "the person who wrote the message." That's what
the Bayesian filter is attempting to identify, despite the person
attempting to evade killfiles.

>> You should also be aware that those who respond to trolls
>> often end up in multiple killfiles.
>
>It really should be up to the maintainer of each individual killfile to
>decide whether someone should wind up there or not. People don't need
>to be warned about it, it just needs to be done on an as-needed basis.

Actually, people do need to be warned. They may not realize that they
are being silently killfiled.

>... that's just my opinion, of course ...

As is all of Usenet...

--
Guy Macon
<http://www.guymacon.com/>

Guy Macon wrote:

> By design, misc.misc is there to allow alt newsgroups to propagate
> through systems that don't carry them.

misc.misc is described as "Various discussions not fitting in any other
group."

Out of 329 messages presently in misc.misc on the news server I manage,
the breakdown of groups in the Newsgroups: headers is as follows, which
does not support your statement of the group's intention. I find it
extremely difficult to believe that any group would have been created
in the "Big-Eight" newsgroup hierarchies, "by design ... to allow
alt newsgroups to propagate through systems that don't carry them."
Please point me to a reference that indicates as much.

329 misc.misc
206 talk.bizarre
155 sci.econ
140 alt.politics.liberalism
115 sci.environment
62 talk.origins
46 talk.politics.misc
37 rec.org.mensa
31 rec.games.roguelike.nethack
28 talk.atheism
26 sci.med
9 alt.test
7 talk.rape
7 rec.sport.golf
7 rec.photo.equipment.35mm
7 rec.photo.digital
4 comp.theory.cell-automata
3 alt.snuh
3 alt.business.misc
2 comp.lang.misc
2 comp.ai.alife
2 biz.entrepreneurs
2 alt.make.money.fast
2 alt.make.money
2 alt.alt
1 sci.physics
1 biz.jobs
1 alt.tv.tiny-toon
1 alt.os.linux.slackware
1 alt.jobs
1 alt.dev.null
1 alt.business.multilevel
1 alt.business.home.pc
1 alt.business.home
1 alt.business.ads
1 alt.business
1 alt.anagrams

> I will leave as an exercise for the reader what the purpose
> of alt.dev.null is, but mine was an appropriate use.

Hrmmm ... we don't carry that group (we haven't permitted automatic
creation of alt.* groups on our system for at least as long as that
group has existed), but I agree that for any system where the group
was correctly created, crossposting your message to it was appropriate.
It seems that either the news server you're using also doesn't carry the
group, or has it misconfigured.

> "[insert troll name here] wrote:"
>
> That's the only context I can reply to, because it's the
> only context I read. That's the point; that the words of
> the troll go unread even if someone quotes them.

You shouldn't be replying. That's even the point of your diatribe.
Ironic, isn't it?

>> Bayesian filtering is normally based on more than a message's
>> "source"
>
> In this context, "source" means "the person who wrote the message."

Ok, so you're using header contents to identify the probable source of a
message. (beyond the "From:" header ...)

> Why are you assuming that my computer isn't downloading message
> bodies?

I'm not "assuming", I'm asking you to explain, since the behaviour you
describe does not fit with the normal behaviour of NNTP clients.

> Actually, people do need to be warned. They may not realize that they
> are being silently killfiled.

and you care about this because ...? Seriously, if I'm _so_
uninterested in what someone else has to say, I'm going to killfile them
(score them down, actually, as Slrn's "kill" is really a "score"), but I
don't feel a need to antagonize them by letting them know about it.
Just add them to your killfile/Bayesian-filter/scorefile/whatever and
get on with your life.

>>... that's just my opinion, of course ...
>
> As is all of Usenet...

Oh, definitely not. At best, only a small subset of Usenet is "just my
opinion." ;-)

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Sylvain Robitaille syl@alcor.concordia.ca

Systems and Network analyst / Newsmaster Concordia University
Instructional & Information Technology Montreal, Quebec, Canada
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Guy Macon Bacon, phat phuck trolls:
> Sylvain Robitaille wrote:

>>(superfluous crossposts removed. Why the crossposts to unrelated
>>newsgroups?)

> By design, misc.misc is there to allow alt newsgroups to propagate
> through systems that don't carry them.

> I will leave as an exercise for the reader what the purpose of
> alt.dev.null is, but mine was an appropriate use.

But everyone ignores your silly crosspostings.

>>In fact, since [the "delete to end of post and reply" key]
>>removes all context, it makes it very difficult to know
>>what you're following up to, so you might want to reconsider
>>using it at all

> It leaves in precisely what I am following up to, which is
> the line

> "[insert troll name here] wrote:"

So this means that your machinations in fact delete your posts and
your posts alone?

> That's the only context I can reply to, because it's the
> only context I read. That's the point; that the words of
> the troll go unread even if someone quotes them.

But how can you tell if anyone responds to your posts in a rational
manner?

>>Hrmmm ... can you explain the logic behind that one? Bayesian
>>filtering is normally based on more than a message's "source"

> In this context, "source" means "the person who wrote the message."
> That's what the Bayesian filter is attempting to identify, despite
> the person attempting to evade killfiles.

But nobody but -cibahole- has ever attempted to evade killfiles in a
regular manner and he was chased out of here long ago, just as we
believed that you had been chased out.

Here's a picture of the "self-taught engineer."

http://www.guymacon.com/INDEX.HTM

Does it get any worse? Chocolate milk by the gallon?

cordially, as always,

rm

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:52:32 +0000, Guy Macon wrote:

> By design, misc.misc is there to allow alt newsgroups to propagate
> through systems that don't carry them.

If they don't carry them, why would they want to receive them under
another name?

> I will leave as an exercise for the reader what the purpose of
> alt.dev.null is, but mine was an appropriate use.

If you say so.

>>In fact, since [the "delete to end of post and reply" key] removes all
>>context, it makes it very difficult to know what you're following up to,
>>so you might want to reconsider using it at all

> It leaves in precisely what I am following up to, which is the line
> "[insert troll name here] wrote:"

So you are intentionally replying to troll posts?

> That's the only context I can reply to, because it's the only context I
> read. That's the point; that the words of the troll go unread even if
> someone quotes them.

So why reply to a troll in the first place? Doesn't make sense.

> It's a bit of a hack, because I wrote it in C (the language that NASA
> used when creating my newsreader) and I suck at C, but eventually I will
> rewrite it in FORTH or Python and Open Source it.

Har! What secret NASA newsreader are you using?

>>It really should be up to the maintainer of each individual killfile to
>>decide whether someone should wind up there or not. People don't need
>>to be warned about it, it just needs to be done on an as-needed basis.

> Actually, people do need to be warned. They may not realize that they
> are being silently killfiled.

Do you think any of them care that you (or anyone else) is killfiling
them? Do you think they'll just stop trolling/posting because you
announce that you're plonking them? Do you really think that?

--
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".

I run slax in ram, there's a boot option for it. Admittedly, I don't know
how much it uses, and I've got 3gb...

Regards,

--
Fred Emmott
(http://www.fredemmott.co.uk)
(http://www.slamd64.com)

Sylvain Robitaille wrote:

>I find it extremely difficult to believe that any group would
>have been created in the "Big-Eight" newsgroup hierarchies,
>"by design ... to allow alt newsgroups to propagate through
>systems that don't carry them."

I though that is was in the misc.misc charter, but I can't
find one. Perhaps misc.misc was created before charters.

The concept goes back to at least 1987; see thread at

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....cf 460777725e

and is often discussed/recomended/criticized; see

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....misc.misc% 22

....but no, I cannot find any official document, so I must assume
that my "by design" claim is in error.

Guy Macon
<http://www.guymacon.com/>

Dan C wrote:
>
>Guy Macon <http://www.guymacon.com/> wrote:
>
>> By design, misc.misc is there to allow alt newsgroups to propagate
>> through systems that don't carry them.
>
>If they don't carry them, why would they want to receive them under
>another name?

Deciding not to carry a group is a local decision. Deciding not to
propagate it through your system effects the network.


>> It leaves in precisely what I am following up to, which is the line
>> "[insert troll name here] wrote:"
>
>So you are intentionally replying to troll posts?

No. I am replying to those who reply to troll posts. I don't
see the actual troll posts. And I only reply to those who reply
to troll posts in cases where I think the poster is educable.

>So why reply to a troll in the first place? Doesn't make sense.

I agree, which is why I set up filters so I don't even know whether
the troll posted.

>> It's a bit of a hack, because I wrote it in C (the language that NASA
>> used when creating my newsreader) and I suck at C, but eventually I will
>> rewrite it in FORTH or Python and Open Source it.
>
>Har! What secret NASA newsreader are you using?

It started out as WinVN, but I have made many modifications.

>> Actually, people do need to be warned. They may not realize that they
>> are being silently killfiled.
>
>Do you think any of them care that you (or anyone else) is killfiling
>them?

Yes.

Guy Macon
<http://www.guymacon.com/>