On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 22:59:49 -0500, mg <mg@spamdump.org> wrote:

>Manuel Otto wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:18:39 -0500, mg <mg@spamdump.org> wrote:
>>
>>> AdriVingerhoets@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On 22 apr, 16:47, mg <m...@spamdump.org> wrote:
>>>>> I recently patched my machine using:
>>>>>
>>>>> x11-6.9.0-i486-14_slack11.0
>>>>> x11-devel-6.9.0-i486-13_slack11.0
>>>>> x11-xvfb-6.9.0-i486-13_slack11.0
>>>>> x11-xnest-6.9.0-i486-13_slack11.0
>>>>> x11-xdmx-6.9.0-i486-13_slack11.0
>>>>> xine-lib-1.1.6-i686-1_slack11.0
>>>>> fontconfig-2.4.2-i486-1_slack11.0
>>>>> freetype-2.3.4-i486-1_slack11.0
>>>>>
>>>>> Fonts look different now. In Firefox it is noticeably different
>>>>> especially on Yahoos website (and web email) where the fonts used in
>>>>> links look very ugly (and different). This was *not* the case before the
>>>>> upgrade. I noticed this immediately after the upgrade.
>>>>>
>>>>> Strangely enough, viewing the same pages on Yahoo using Konqueror the
>>>>> fonts used for links seems unchanged.
>>>>>
>>>>> Konsole is another application that shows some slight difference in
>>>>> fonts but it is tolerable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone else seen this? Maybe I've missed something.
>>>>>
>>>>> I used the latest pakage: x11-6.9.0-i486-14_slack11.0 instead of
>>>>> x11-6.9.0-i486-13_slack11.0.tgz
>>>>>
>>>>> $ fc-cache --version
>>>>> fontconfig version 2.4.2
>>>>>
>>>>> Any tips, advice or comments would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> TIA
>>>>> -- MG
>>>> Have you read this?:
>>>> Fri Apr 20 13:47:39 CDT 2007
>>>> patches/packages/x11-6.9.0-i486-14_slack11.0.tgz:
>>>> Removed old versions of fc-cache and fc-list.
>>>> Somehow a couple of old fontconfig binaries snuck into this
>>>> package, and
>>>> prevent fc-cache from working properly at boot (or any other
>>>> time).
>>>> If you've already installed these upgrades, reinstalling the
>>>> fontconfig
>>>> package will fix the issue. If you do that, there's no need to
>>>> reinstall
>>>> this new x11 package -- it's been fixed so that there's no
>>>> longer a problem
>>>> with the package install order (and because those fc-*
>>>> binaries didn't
>>>> belong there). Sorry for any inconvenience...
>>>> Thanks to Petri Kaukasoina for pointing this out.
>>>> (* Fix *)
>>>>
>>> Yes, I did see this comment, which is why I used
>>> x11-6.9.0-i486-14_slack11.0.tgz which, supposedly, fixes the problem, so
>>> that there is no particular package install order. Please see my first post.
>>>
>>> All the fonts are noticeably different and acceptable except for the
>>> fonts used on Yahoos website. I'm not sure what font they are using but
>>> with this new patch for X11 the fonts are defaulting to some unknown
>>> and really ugly font. I use Yahoo email so this is pretty annoying.
>>>
>>> I have tried mucking around with the fonts in Firefox to get an
>>> acceptable looking font but to no avail. The website refuses to use any
>>> other font.
>>>
>>> Has anyone else with the new patches for X11 and Firefox seen this
>>> weirdness on Yahoo?
>>>
>>> Any other ideas or things I could try?
>>>
>>> TIA
>>>
>>> -- MG
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> No solution, but this is what's happening:
>>
>> On yahoo.com a style sheet gets loaded:
>>
>> http://us.js2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/l...x_20070405.css
>>
>> Right on top it says:
>>
>>> body {font:small/1.2em arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;font:x-small;margin:0 10px;min-width:750px;}
>>
>> (It tries to load arial, if that not available, then it tries
>> helvetica, if that not available then it tries 'clean').
>>
>> Arial we never had, helvetica: yes, but it's gone now!!! After
>> upgrading Slackware 1-.2 to x11-6.8.2-i486-9_slack10.2 helvetica is
>> gone, and font 'system' too (and who knows what else).
>>
>> There's some new fonts too, like font 'clean', and taht one gets
>> loaded at yahoo.com, cause we don't have arial or helvetica.
>
>Manual, thanks for checking Yahoo. However, I have the Arial font
>installed i.e. if I go to change fonts in Firefox I can select Arial. I
>have webcore TrueType fonts installed. I checked this using xlsfonts and
>Arial shows up.

Strange. Can you see arial also in your KDE or Gnome settings?
(Configuration Centre, or whatever).

An other thing, but I might be complete wrong, just speculating.
Firefox is a program build with GTK (Gnome ToolKit?), so it looks like
Gnome, maybe fonts too? (I mean, if you use KDE).

I have gtk-qt-engine installed:
http://www.linuxpackages.net/search_...qt-engine&ver=

>Shouldn't the style sheet find it, if Firefox and X can find it?

Yes, it should, but in my case it didn't either. Read on...

After reading some things in the changelog about fonts, though being
there, not found by the system, I went looking what fonts I have. (I
was missing the Helvetica font after applying the
x11-6.8.2-i486-9_slack10.2 patch).

Well, it turned out that that had nothing to do with that patch.
Helvetica just never got loaded! Though it exists on my system in:

/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi

I looked further. found in /etc/fonts/fonts.conf :

><!-- Commented out font directories:
> These are not indexed by default, as fontconfig then seems
> to prefer bitmapped fonts in some cases...
> <dir>/usr/X11R6/lib/fonts/100dpi</dir>
> <dir>/usr/X11R6/lib/fonts/75dpi</dir>
>-->

Uncommented those lines, rebooted. Wow, font Helvetica was available!

But I didn't know that Helvetica to me looked as ugly as that other
font with name 'Clean'. I just didn't know before how it looked. Might
sound stupid, but I always thought it was loaded, but never checked
that. KDE Configuration Centre - Fonts made me think so. Instead an
other font which WAS available was loaded.

While I had all ugly (Helvetica) fonts in KDE, I went to yahoo.com,
expecting that now Helvetica should be loaded, instead of the font
'Clean', but not so.

Same as your problem then: it should load not 'Clean' if Arial or
Helvetica is available on the system.

Maybe somebody else sees a solution in this style sheet? (Style sheets
are not my native language) :

http://us.js2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/l...x_20070405.css

Anyway, while I didn't seem to need any of the fonts in:

/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi

I've put back the lines in /etc/fonts/fonts.conf I changed back to
their original state

>Someone else mentioned that fontconfig patches were released yesterday
>... I might apply these over the weekend and see if it fixes the
>problem. Although after reading the changelog I doubt it will.

I also find it funny that when I had Helvetica loaded, yahoo showed
font 'Clean'.

Maybe someone else?

P.S. My problems are solved now. I use 'Sans Serif' in KDE, and for
fixed-width font I use 'Courier 10 Pitch'.

This way everything looks most clear and pleasant to me.

>-- MG

Hope your problem get solved! Solution is propabily just in front of
us, we just don't see it.

Manuel

On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:32:41 +0100, nordle <na@na.na> wrote:

>On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 00:30:53 +0200
>Manuel Otto <not-for-mail@adress.is.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 00:13:52 +0200, Manuel Otto
>> <not-for-mail@adress.is.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> >On 26 Apr 2007 14:57:05 -0700, Adri <AdriVingerhoets@gmail.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>Manuel Otto schreef:
>> >>> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:18:39 -0500, mg <mg@spamdump.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> >AdriVingerhoets@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>> >> On 22 apr, 16:47, mg <m...@spamdump.org> wrote:
>> >>> >>> I recently patched my machine using:
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> x11-6.9.0-i486-14_slack11.0
>> >>> >>> x11-devel-6.9.0-i486-13_slack11.0
>> >>> >>> x11-xvfb-6.9.0-i486-13_slack11.0
>> >>> >>> x11-xnest-6.9.0-i486-13_slack11.0
>> >>> >>> x11-xdmx-6.9.0-i486-13_slack11.0
>> >>> >>> xine-lib-1.1.6-i686-1_slack11.0
>> >>> >>> fontconfig-2.4.2-i486-1_slack11.0
>> >>> >>> freetype-2.3.4-i486-1_slack11.0
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Fonts look different now. In Firefox it is noticeably
>> >>> >>> different especially on Yahoos website (and web email) where
>> >>> >>> the fonts used in links look very ugly (and different). This
>> >>> >>> was *not* the case before the upgrade. I noticed this
>> >>> >>> immediately after the upgrade.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Strangely enough, viewing the same pages on Yahoo using
>> >>> >>> Konqueror the fonts used for links seems unchanged.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Konsole is another application that shows some slight
>> >>> >>> difference in fonts but it is tolerable.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Has anyone else seen this? Maybe I've missed something.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> I used the latest pakage: x11-6.9.0-i486-14_slack11.0 instead
>> >>> >>> of x11-6.9.0-i486-13_slack11.0.tgz
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> $ fc-cache --version
>> >>> >>> fontconfig version 2.4.2
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Any tips, advice or comments would be greatly appreciated.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> TIA
>> >>> >>> -- MG
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Have you read this?:
>> >>> >> Fri Apr 20 13:47:39 CDT 2007
>> >>> >> patches/packages/x11-6.9.0-i486-14_slack11.0.tgz:
>> >>> >> Removed old versions of fc-cache and fc-list.
>> >>> >> Somehow a couple of old fontconfig binaries snuck into
>> >>> >> this package, and
>> >>> >> prevent fc-cache from working properly at boot (or any
>> >>> >> other time).
>> >>> >> If you've already installed these upgrades,
>> >>> >> reinstalling the fontconfig
>> >>> >> package will fix the issue. If you do that, there's no
>> >>> >> need to reinstall
>> >>> >> this new x11 package -- it's been fixed so that
>> >>> >> there's no longer a problem
>> >>> >> with the package install order (and because those fc-*
>> >>> >> binaries didn't
>> >>> >> belong there). Sorry for any inconvenience...
>> >>> >> Thanks to Petri Kaukasoina for pointing this out.
>> >>> >> (* Fix *)
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Yes, I did see this comment, which is why I used
>> >>> >x11-6.9.0-i486-14_slack11.0.tgz which, supposedly, fixes the
>> >>> >problem, so that there is no particular package install order.
>> >>> >Please see my first post.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >All the fonts are noticeably different and acceptable except for
>> >>> >the fonts used on Yahoos website. I'm not sure what font they
>> >>> >are using but
>> >>> > with this new patch for X11 the fonts are defaulting to some
>> >>> > unknown
>> >>> >and really ugly font. I use Yahoo email so this is pretty
>> >>> >annoying.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >I have tried mucking around with the fonts in Firefox to get an
>> >>> >acceptable looking font but to no avail. The website refuses to
>> >>> >use any other font.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Has anyone else with the new patches for X11 and Firefox seen
>> >>> >this weirdness on Yahoo?
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Any other ideas or things I could try?
>> >>> >
>> >>> >TIA
>> >>> >
>> >>> >-- MG
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> No solution, but this is what's happening:
>> >>>
>> >>> On yahoo.com a style sheet gets loaded:
>> >>>
>> >>> http://us.js2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/l...x_20070405.css
>> >>>
>> >>> Right on top it says:
>> >>>
>> >>> >body {font:small/1.2em
>> >>> >arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;font:x-small;margin:0
>> >>> >10px;min-width:750px;}
>> >>>
>> >>> (It tries to load arial, if that not available, then it tries
>> >>> helvetica, if that not available then it tries 'clean').
>> >>>
>> >>> Arial we never had, helvetica: yes, but it's gone now!!! After
>> >>> upgrading Slackware 1-.2 to x11-6.8.2-i486-9_slack10.2 helvetica
>> >>> is gone, and font 'system' too (and who knows what else).
>> >>>
>> >>> There's some new fonts too, like font 'clean', and taht one gets
>> >>> loaded at yahoo.com, cause we don't have arial or helvetica.
>> >>
>> >>There are new patches, they probably will fix it:
>> >>Wed Apr 25 15:19:06 CDT 2007
>> >>patches/packages/fontconfig-2.4.2-i486-2_slack11.0.tgz:
>> >> Changed the font paths in /etc/fonts/fonts.conf to point to
>> >>where the
>> >> fonts actually are, rather than through a symlink. The
>> >> symlink (/usr/X11R6/lib/fonts) *should* be made by the aaa_base
>> >>package, but
>> >> still it's probably best to point to the real location.
>> >> Thanks to Zoran Davidovac for the suggestion.
>> >> Moved man pages to the proper location and gzipped them.
>> >> Created a /var/cache/fontconfig directory.
>> >>+--------------------------+
>> >>Mon Apr 23 13:32:50 CDT 2007
>> >>patches/packages/freetype-2.3.4-i486-2_slack11.0.tgz: Fixed the
>> >>diffs
>> >> for the patented algorithms. Thanks to Eric Hameleers.
>> >
>> >Thanks Adri!
>> >
>> >It;s there too for Slackware 10.2:
>> >
>> >>Thu Apr 26 12:39:47 CDT 2007
>> >>patches/packages/x11-6.8.2-i486-10_slack10.2.tgz: Fixed some bugs
>> >>in the
>> >> fontconfig upgrade... Put cache files in /var/cache/fontconfig,
>> >> not /var/X11R6/var/cache/fontconfig. Properly locate and compress
>> >> fontconfig man pages. Thanks to Eef Hartman for pointing these
>> >> out.
>> >>patches/packages/x11-devel-6.8.2-i486-10_slack10.2.tgz: Recompiled.
>> >>patches/packages/x11-xdmx-6.8.2-i486-10_slack10.2.tgz: Recompiled.
>> >>patches/packages/x11-xnest-6.8.2-i486-10_slack10.2.tgz: Recompiled.
>> >>patches/packages/x11-xvfb-6.8.2-i486-10_slack10.2.tgz: Recompiled.
>> >
>> >Checked earlier today, it was not there yet.
>> >
>> >Will install now, and let now how it worked.
>> >
>> >Manuel
>>
>> After install: no change at all. Still font helvetica is not there,
>> see no changes with the ugly font at yahoo.com
>>
>> Am I forgetting something?
>>
>> Did telinit 1, then upgradepkg *.tgz
>>
>> Could it have anything to with the always present lines:
>>
>> >Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/,
>> >removing from list! Could not init font path
>> >element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/local/, removing from list! Could
>> >not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,
>> >removing from list! Could not init font path
>> >element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic/, removing from list!
>>
>> in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
>>
>> Manuel
>
>did you try the things I mentioned earlier, worked for me.

Only partially, was afraid to mess things up.

Did not do:

>1. I ended up recompiling freetype using SlackBuild script.
>Except I manually edited ftoption.h line 459
>#define TT_CONFIG_OPTION_BYTECODE_INTERPRETER
>As due to patent issues from Adobe, its not not standard.

As I had no idea what itwas suppost to do...

>2. Edit ~/.fonts.conf to suit, eg:
><?xml version="1.0"?>
><!DOCTYPE fontconfig SYSTEM "fonts.dtd">
><fontconfig>
> <match target="font" >
> <edit mode="assign" name="rgba" >
> <const>rgb</const>
> </edit>
> </match>
> <match target="font" >
> <edit mode="assign" name="hinting" >
> <bool>true</bool>
> </edit>
> </match>
> <match target="font" >
> <edit mode="assign" name="hintstyle" >
> <const>hintfull</const>
> </edit>
> </match>
> <match target="font" >
> <edit mode="assign" name="antialias" >
> <bool>true</bool>
> </edit>
> </match>
></fontconfig>

Here I was cowhardish too. Afterworths I think I could have made a
backup of the file first.

>3. Open Firefox, enter url= about:config
>font.FreeType2.autohinted = true
>font.FreeType2.enable = true
>font.antialias.min = 12 (depends on resolution, might find 10 better
>or 14)

Firefox always looked best to me with its default settings for fonts
and such. Only thing I had to do was install 'gtk-qt-engine', to make
make GTK based programs like Firefox and VLC look not so ugly.

Quote:

"The GTK-Qt Theme Engine is a project allowing GTK to use Qt widget
styles. It behaves like a normal GTK theme engine, but calls functions
from Qt instead of doing the drawing itself.
http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/gtk-qt This version of
gtk-qt-engine was complied for Slackware 10.2 by Andrzej Szelachowski"

>6. Re-Install nvidia driver, or whatever third party graphics driver you
>might be using.

Just UNinstalled nvidia driver, due to very severe crashes... System
should not crash, data should not get lost. Those things much more
important then some #D-acceleration (which I was not using anyway).

Did do:

>4. Double check /etc/X11/xorg.conf has:
> RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"
> FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
> Load "type1"
> Load "freetype"

Passed.

>5. Exit xserver, go to command line, ie init 3
>run fc-cache -r

Yes.

>7. startx again

Of course :-)

Everything is fine agian now though, with the fonts.

Please read my reply to mg <mg@spamdump.org> last reply to me:

news:m6m433dei9fi6sleabamt8ntoucbespdcf@4ax.com

On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:44:00 +0200, Eef Hartman
<E.J.M.Hartman@math.tudelft.nl> wrote:

>nordle <na@na.na> wrote:
>>Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/,
>>removing from list!
>>Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/local/,
>>removing from list!
>>Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,
>>removing from list!
>
>Those three are normally empty (Speedo fonts used to be in the x11-fonts-scale
>package, but that one currently only contains Type1 and TTF fonts, although
>the description hasn't been adapted to that yet.
>
>>Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic/,
>>removing from list!
>
>While this one is only filled when you install the x11-fonts-cyrillic
>package (they are the fonts for the Russian language).

Thank you! Explains it all :-)

On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:13:36 GMT, Franklin <franlin@tower.org> wrote:

>On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 00:30:53 +0200, Manuel Otto wrote:
>
>> After install: no change at all.
>
>FWIW
>
>My desktop box and my laptop each have seperate installs of Slackware-11.0
>and -current. All Slackware 11.0 installs (laptop and desktop) work
>correctly with up-to-date patches installed. Both -current installs
>remain broken with respect to Yahoo fonts (for example) regardless of
>browser or window manager. I plan on trying to figure this out tonight.
>If I find something useful I'll post it.

Much appreciated.

Manuel Otto wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 22:59:49 -0500, mg <mg@spamdump.org> wrote:
>
>> Manuel Otto wrote:
>>> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:18:39 -0500, mg <mg@spamdump.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> AdriVingerhoets@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On 22 apr, 16:47, mg <m...@spamdump.org> wrote:
>>>>>> I recently patched my machine using:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> x11-6.9.0-i486-14_slack11.0
>>>>>> x11-devel-6.9.0-i486-13_slack11.0
>>>>>> x11-xvfb-6.9.0-i486-13_slack11.0
>>>>>> x11-xnest-6.9.0-i486-13_slack11.0
>>>>>> x11-xdmx-6.9.0-i486-13_slack11.0
>>>>>> xine-lib-1.1.6-i686-1_slack11.0
>>>>>> fontconfig-2.4.2-i486-1_slack11.0
>>>>>> freetype-2.3.4-i486-1_slack11.0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fonts look different now. In Firefox it is noticeably different
>>>>>> especially on Yahoos website (and web email) where the fonts used in
>>>>>> links look very ugly (and different). This was *not* the case before the
>>>>>> upgrade. I noticed this immediately after the upgrade.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Strangely enough, viewing the same pages on Yahoo using Konqueror the
>>>>>> fonts used for links seems unchanged.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Konsole is another application that shows some slight difference in
>>>>>> fonts but it is tolerable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Has anyone else seen this? Maybe I've missed something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I used the latest pakage: x11-6.9.0-i486-14_slack11.0 instead of
>>>>>> x11-6.9.0-i486-13_slack11.0.tgz
>>>>>>
>>>>>> $ fc-cache --version
>>>>>> fontconfig version 2.4.2
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any tips, advice or comments would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TIA
>>>>>> -- MG
>>>>> Have you read this?:
>>>>> Fri Apr 20 13:47:39 CDT 2007
>>>>> patches/packages/x11-6.9.0-i486-14_slack11.0.tgz:
>>>>> Removed old versions of fc-cache and fc-list.
>>>>> Somehow a couple of old fontconfig binaries snuck into this
>>>>> package, and
>>>>> prevent fc-cache from working properly at boot (or any other
>>>>> time).
>>>>> If you've already installed these upgrades, reinstalling the
>>>>> fontconfig
>>>>> package will fix the issue. If you do that, there's no need to
>>>>> reinstall
>>>>> this new x11 package -- it's been fixed so that there's no
>>>>> longer a problem
>>>>> with the package install order (and because those fc-*
>>>>> binaries didn't
>>>>> belong there). Sorry for any inconvenience...
>>>>> Thanks to Petri Kaukasoina for pointing this out.
>>>>> (* Fix *)
>>>>>
>>>> Yes, I did see this comment, which is why I used
>>>> x11-6.9.0-i486-14_slack11.0.tgz which, supposedly, fixes the problem, so
>>>> that there is no particular package install order. Please see my first post.
>>>>
>>>> All the fonts are noticeably different and acceptable except for the
>>>> fonts used on Yahoos website. I'm not sure what font they are using but
>>>> with this new patch for X11 the fonts are defaulting to some unknown
>>>> and really ugly font. I use Yahoo email so this is pretty annoying.
>>>>
>>>> I have tried mucking around with the fonts in Firefox to get an
>>>> acceptable looking font but to no avail. The website refuses to use any
>>>> other font.
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone else with the new patches for X11 and Firefox seen this
>>>> weirdness on Yahoo?
>>>>
>>>> Any other ideas or things I could try?
>>>>
>>>> TIA
>>>>
>>>> -- MG
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> No solution, but this is what's happening:
>>>
>>> On yahoo.com a style sheet gets loaded:
>>>
>>> http://us.js2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/l...x_20070405.css
>>>
>>> Right on top it says:
>>>
>>>> body {font:small/1.2em arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;font:x-small;margin:0 10px;min-width:750px;}
>>> (It tries to load arial, if that not available, then it tries
>>> helvetica, if that not available then it tries 'clean').
>>>
>>> Arial we never had, helvetica: yes, but it's gone now!!! After
>>> upgrading Slackware 1-.2 to x11-6.8.2-i486-9_slack10.2 helvetica is
>>> gone, and font 'system' too (and who knows what else).
>>>
>>> There's some new fonts too, like font 'clean', and taht one gets
>>> loaded at yahoo.com, cause we don't have arial or helvetica.
>> Manual, thanks for checking Yahoo. However, I have the Arial font
>> installed i.e. if I go to change fonts in Firefox I can select Arial. I
>> have webcore TrueType fonts installed. I checked this using xlsfonts and
>> Arial shows up.
>
> Strange. Can you see arial also in your KDE or Gnome settings?
> (Configuration Centre, or whatever).
>
> An other thing, but I might be complete wrong, just speculating.
> Firefox is a program build with GTK (Gnome ToolKit?), so it looks like
> Gnome, maybe fonts too? (I mean, if you use KDE).
>
> I have gtk-qt-engine installed:
> http://www.linuxpackages.net/search_...qt-engine&ver=
>
>> Shouldn't the style sheet find it, if Firefox and X can find it?
>
> Yes, it should, but in my case it didn't either. Read on...
>
> After reading some things in the changelog about fonts, though being
> there, not found by the system, I went looking what fonts I have. (I
> was missing the Helvetica font after applying the
> x11-6.8.2-i486-9_slack10.2 patch).
>
> Well, it turned out that that had nothing to do with that patch.
> Helvetica just never got loaded! Though it exists on my system in:
>
> /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi
> /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi
>
> I looked further. found in /etc/fonts/fonts.conf :
>
>> <!-- Commented out font directories:
>> These are not indexed by default, as fontconfig then seems
>> to prefer bitmapped fonts in some cases...
>> <dir>/usr/X11R6/lib/fonts/100dpi</dir>
>> <dir>/usr/X11R6/lib/fonts/75dpi</dir>
>> -->
>
> Uncommented those lines, rebooted. Wow, font Helvetica was available!
>
> But I didn't know that Helvetica to me looked as ugly as that other
> font with name 'Clean'. I just didn't know before how it looked. Might
> sound stupid, but I always thought it was loaded, but never checked
> that. KDE Configuration Centre - Fonts made me think so. Instead an
> other font which WAS available was loaded.
>
> While I had all ugly (Helvetica) fonts in KDE, I went to yahoo.com,
> expecting that now Helvetica should be loaded, instead of the font
> 'Clean', but not so.
>
> Same as your problem then: it should load not 'Clean' if Arial or
> Helvetica is available on the system.
>
> Maybe somebody else sees a solution in this style sheet? (Style sheets
> are not my native language) :
>
> http://us.js2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/l...x_20070405.css
>
> Anyway, while I didn't seem to need any of the fonts in:
>
> /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi
> /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi
>
> I've put back the lines in /etc/fonts/fonts.conf I changed back to
> their original state
>
>> Someone else mentioned that fontconfig patches were released yesterday
>> ... I might apply these over the weekend and see if it fixes the
>> problem. Although after reading the changelog I doubt it will.
>
> I also find it funny that when I had Helvetica loaded, yahoo showed
> font 'Clean'.
>
> Maybe someone else?
>
> P.S. My problems are solved now. I use 'Sans Serif' in KDE, and for
> fixed-width font I use 'Courier 10 Pitch'.
>
> This way everything looks most clear and pleasant to me.
>
>> -- MG
>
> Hope your problem get solved! Solution is propabily just in front of
> us, we just don't see it.
>
> Manuel

Instead of forcing Firefox to use my fonts for all web pages via the
"preferences" dialog, I changed the file /etc/fonts/local.conf to make X
windows map "Clean" to "Bitstream Vera Sans", since Clean is the font
that seems to be messing things up on Yahoos web email. Now my web email
folders and links etc. look the way they should. And for now this will
do fine.

In case anyone is interested, here are the changes I made to
/etc/fonts/local.conf (Restart X after editing)

<!-- Replace Clean with a nicer font -->
<match target="pattern" name="family">
<test name="family" qual="any">
<string>Clean</string>
</test>
<edit name="family" mode="assign">
<!-- Other choices - Courier New, Luxi Mono -->
<string>Bitstream Vera Sans </string>
</edit>
</match>


-- MG