Hi! just wondering, per Sun's webpage on project Mad Hatter...

http://www.sun.com/2003-0805/feature/index.html

there's a mention of a Solaris OS edition "shortly thereafter"...I was
wondering, if project Mad Hatter is Linux-based, mainly for x86, how
does it fit with Solaris OS for the Sparc?

Will the Mad Hatter GUI (from the screenshots on that page) replace
Solaris' current gnome2 look & feel? or is there someting else I'm not
getting??? I'm just puzzled about this...

Will the current gnome2 become then gnome2-mad-hatter?
hmmm...interesting, and yet cryptic...don't get me wrong, I'm a Solaris
user, but somehow Sun's ads/marketing, etc, etc...are "ahead of its
time"...they really need to change their advertising agency...

Thanks! =)

Georgie

On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, G. Low wrote:

> there's a mention of a Solaris OS edition "shortly thereafter"...I was
> wondering, if project Mad Hatter is Linux-based, mainly for x86, how
> does it fit with Solaris OS for the Sparc?

It probably doesn't; they're talking about Solaris x86.

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In article <Pine.GSO.4.44.0308221442350.16643-100000@zaphod>,
Rich Teer <rich.teer@rite-group.com> wrote:
>It probably doesn't; they're talking about Solaris x86.

They're talking about Solaris sparc, as an after thought
to appease current SunRay and workstations customers.

The roadmap for desktop Solaris usage has a silver-white
line drawn by senior management to the cementary.

John
groenveld@acm.org

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 21:43:11 +0000, Rich Teer wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, G. Low wrote:
>
>> there's a mention of a Solaris OS edition "shortly thereafter"...I was
>> wondering, if project Mad Hatter is Linux-based, mainly for x86, how
>> does it fit with Solaris OS for the Sparc?
>
> It probably doesn't; they're talking about Solaris x86.

I thought I had read somewhere that the entire "mad hatter" solution will
require the purchase of a Sun server.

In article <pan.2003.08.23.00.28.37.300718@snet.net>,
Tom Hamilton <thamilt5.ohno@snet.net> wrote:
>I thought I had read somewhere that the entire "mad hatter" solution will
>require the purchase of a Sun server.

I don't see any real server vendor lock-in in the press reports
or what Schwartz showed at SunNetwork 2002. At least not in the same sense
as a SunRay where you need a Sun server to boot.

It does look like they'll make it very compelling to integrate it
with SunONE suite of server software, but McNealy is on record that
if you want to use someone else's calendar, messaging, directory server,
etc then so be it.

John
groenveld@acm.org

"John D Groenveld" <groenvel@cse.psu.edu> wrote:
> In article <pan.2003.08.23.00.28.37.300718@snet.net>,
> Tom Hamilton <thamilt5.ohno@snet.net> wrote:
> >I thought I had read somewhere that the entire "mad hatter" solution will
> >require the purchase of a Sun server.
>
> I don't see any real server vendor lock-in in the press reports
> or what Schwartz showed at SunNetwork 2002.

I would not care about anything anybody said 2002
about a project which still has not gone life. That was
a plan, not a legally binding contract, and plans may be
changed, reworked, cancelled, redesigned, or postponed
for any technical or non-technical reason.


Thomas

"Tom Hamilton" <thamilt5.ohno@snet.net> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.08.24.01.56.59.806424@snet.net>...
> On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 01:40:40 +0000, Rich Teer wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Tom Hamilton wrote:
> >
> >> I thought I had read somewhere that the entire "mad hatter" solution will
> >> require the purchase of a Sun server.
> >
> > Very likely - although Sun do sell x86 servers too.
>
>
> Since it is being aimed at large organizations like call centers I don't
> see much use for a x86 Sun server. Additionally I don't see Scott
> marginalizing the Sun's flagship product line in his attempt to "take a
> bite out of Bill"

By your logic Sun should make 1490.00 on every sale of Redhat Advance
server they sell on the V60 model and give Redhat 10.00. I assume
your talking about the margins stock holders are concerned with.

---Bob

groenvel@cse.psu.edu (John D Groenveld) writes:

> In article <Pine.GSO.4.44.0308221442350.16643-100000@zaphod>,
> Rich Teer <rich.teer@rite-group.com> wrote:
> >It probably doesn't; they're talking about Solaris x86.
>
> They're talking about Solaris sparc, as an after thought
> to appease current SunRay and workstations customers.
>
> The roadmap for desktop Solaris usage has a silver-white
> line drawn by senior management to the cementary.

I guess the "big push" back into workstations that I was told about by
Sun is a lie then? I'd love to see it, but I have to admit I was
sceptical. Without some movement from PCs back to Sun workstations, I
don't expect to still keep our Solaris port of our product alive for
much longer.

--
Chris Morgan
"Post posting of policy changes by the boss will result in
real rule revisions that are irreversible"

- anonymous correspondent

In article <3f4702ea_1@news.arcor-ip.de>,
Thomas Dehn <thomas-usenet@arcor.de> wrote:
>I would not care about anything anybody said 2002
>about a project which still has not gone life. That was

I agree that plans can change. I haven't seen much though,
except maybe whether their will be a Sun hardware platform
for Enterprise Linux Client as customers retire their existing
Dell's, HPs, IBMs, etc.

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John
groenveld@acm.org

>>
>>
>> Since it is being aimed at large organizations like call centers I don't
>> see much use for a x86 Sun server. Additionally I don't see Scott
>> marginalizing the Sun's flagship product line in his attempt to "take a
>> bite out of Bill"
>
> By your logic Sun should make 1490.00 on every sale of Redhat Advance
> server they sell on the V60 model and give Redhat 10.00. I assume
> your talking about the margins stock holders are concerned with.
>
> ---Bob

I don't understand what you are commenting on. I am saying that an x86 server
hardly will serve a call center of 500 clients. Sun would rather sell you
a v880 or v240 for that task.