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I've just downloaded 1.8GB of AIX 5.3 Technology Level 7 data so that
I can bring my machines up to the latest level. However I'd like to
use CDs as the install medium because I don't have a lot of disk space
to spare.
With the standard AIX install CDs when fileset dependencies are worked
out I get prompted to load the appropriate CD when it is needed. But
if I split my downloaded TL7 data onto 3 or 4 CDs I suspect that this
is not going to work. Given the prerequisite dependencies it's likely
to be a nightmare trying to determine what filesets to put on which
CD. I've found that if I only update the filesets that are actually
installed on my main machine it will require 800MB - unfortunately
more than a CD will take...
Help!
TIA
Jeffrey

j3 wrote:
> I've just downloaded 1.8GB of AIX 5.3 Technology Level 7 data so that
> I can bring my machines up to the latest level. However I'd like to
> use CDs as the install medium because I don't have a lot of disk space
> to spare.
Don't you have at least one linux box with 2GB free ?

If so, put it all in there, and export it to the AIX boxes (One of the
machines must be able to write to that directory to create the .toc).


> With the standard AIX install CDs when fileset dependencies are worked
> out I get prompted to load the appropriate CD when it is needed. But
> if I split my downloaded TL7 data onto 3 or 4 CDs I suspect that this
> is not going to work.
A TL is supposed to be installed all at once, there are hundreds of
pre/co-requisites, which means they should all go in at once.


> Given the prerequisite dependencies it's likely
> to be a nightmare trying to determine what filesets to put on which
> CD. I've found that if I only update the filesets that are actually
> installed on my main machine it will require 800MB - unfortunately
> more than a CD will take...
If you're that low on disk you probably don't have a DVD on the AIX
boxes either. You'd have to:

1 - Guess/determine in which sequence the PTFs will be applied.
2 - Build a multi-volume cd set with the PTFs in order. (Otherwise
you'll change those CDs 200 times per machine).

On Jan 18, 7:33*am, Jose Pina Coelho <[email protected]> wrote:
> j3 wrote:
> > I've just downloaded 1.8GB of AIX 5.3 Technology Level 7 data so that
> > I can bring my machines up to the latest level. *However I'd like to
> > use CDs as the install medium because I don't have a lot of disk space
> > to spare.
>
> Don't you have at least one linux box with 2GB free ?
>
> If so, put it all in there, and export it to the AIX boxes (One of the
> machines must be able to write to that directory to create the .toc).
<snip>
Thanks, Jose. I'd prefer the CD approach due to network load and the
fact that I normally set up machine off the network. This is
obviously going to be a real nuisance...
Jeffrey

>> I'd prefer the CD approach due to network load and the fact that I normally set up machine off the network.

Have you got a laptop running linux and a crossover cable (( or a mini
hub )) ? (u dont need a crossover for a Gbit NIC card btw) ... you
could pull the network cable and plug it into your laptop and set up
an ip on the same subnet, then have the install data on the laptop ..
could be on dvd in in the drive or on an fs, then nfs export it and
mount it on the AIX box to run the update .. just a thought ..

HTH
Mark Taylor

On Jan 18, 4:45 am, j3 <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jan 18, 7:33 am, Jose Pina Coelho <[email protected]> wrote:> j3 wrote:
> > > I've just downloaded 1.8GB of AIX 5.3 Technology Level 7 data so that
> > > I can bring my machines up to the latest level. However I'd like to
> > > use CDs as the install medium because I don't have a lot of disk space
> > > to spare.
>
> > Don't you have at least one linux box with 2GB free ?
>
> > If so, put it all in there, and export it to the AIX boxes (One of the
> > machines must be able to write to that directory to create the .toc).
>
> <snip>
> Thanks, Jose. I'd prefer the CD approach due to network load and the
> fact that I normally set up machine off the network. This is
> obviously going to be a real nuisance...
> Jeffrey


A simple approach:
Move all message fileset out of the way
$ mkdir ls | grep "\..._..\." | .....
en_US and EN_US goes to one CD
Rest to another

Move not needed fileset out of the way ( dirtalk, hageo a.s.o )
$ ls | cut -f1,2 -d\. | sort -u
and select what not needed and build CDs which has at least a complete
fileset on it ( dirtalk + pessl + ... )

Check if the rest ( Containing now only the core update files ) fits
on one CD

hth
Hajo

Hajo Ehlers schrieb:

> A simple approach:
> Move all message fileset out of the way
> $ mkdir ls | grep "\..._..\." | .....
> en_US and EN_US goes to one CD
> Rest to another
>
> Move not needed fileset out of the way ( dirtalk, hageo a.s.o )
> $ ls | cut -f1,2 -d\. | sort -u
> and select what not needed and build CDs which has at least a complete
> fileset on it ( dirtalk + pessl + ... )
>
> Check if the rest ( Containing now only the core update files ) fits
> on one CD

You are being very optimistic.
TL (formerly ML) CDs have always been more than 2 CDs.
It would be nice if IBM could offer iso images of their TL/ML CDs
for download, just as they did for the microcode.
This would allow users to burn new CDs from time to time,
I've experienced the IBM delivered ones to "wear out" after only
1 or 2 years.

On Jan 18, 12:26 pm, Michael Kraemer <[email protected]> wrote:
....
> You are being very optimistic.
You call only fail if you try ;-)

> TL (formerly ML) CDs have always been more than 2 CDs.
> It would be nice if IBM could offer iso images of their TL/ML CDs
> for download, just as they did for the microcode.
The TL/ML will have all devices drivers and message fileset as well as
all other software provided by the AIX base CDs.

Thus if the OP is able to splitt the software in more or less
independed packages then these package should fit onto one CD.
Example:
A whole AIX 5.3 with an included ML07 gives me about 4.7 GB

Now we check the amount of data used by certain products: ( All in
kbytes )

Messages
662$ ls | grep "\..._..\." | xargs du -k | awk '{ a=a+$1 } END { print
a }'
304800

Devices
663$ ls | grep -v "\..._..\." | grep "^devices" | xargs du -k | awk
'{ a=a+$1 } END { print a }'
110952


dirTalk
664$ ls | grep -v "\..._..\." | grep "^dirTalk" | xargs du -k | awk
'{ a=a+$1 } END { print a }'
441848

OpenGL
666$ ls | grep -v "\..._..\." | grep "OpenGL" | xargs du -k | awk
'{ a=a+$1 } END { print a }'
54696

X11
667$ ls | grep -v "\..._..\." | grep "^X11" | xargs du -k | awk '{ a=a+
$1 } END { print a }'
427992

sysmgt
668$ ls | grep -v "\..._..\." | grep "^sysmgt" | xargs du -k | awk
'{ a=a+$1 } END { print a }'
296168

Java
670$ ls | grep -v "\..._..\." | grep "^Java" | xargs du -k | awk '{ a=a
+$1 } END { print a }'
995016


So imho it should be not to hard to get 1.7 GB on 3 or 4 CD without
playing disk jockey

regards
Hajo

On 18 Jan, 11:26, Michael Kraemer <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hajo Ehlers schrieb:
>
> > A simple approach:
> > Move all message fileset out of the way
> > $ mkdir * ls | grep "\..._..\." *| .....
> > en_US and EN_US goes to one CD
> > Rest to another
>
> > Move not needed fileset out of the way ( dirtalk, hageo a.s.o )
> > $ ls *| cut -f1,2 -d\. | sort -u
> > and select what not needed and build CDs which has at least a complete
> > fileset on it ( dirtalk + pessl + ... )
>
> > Check if the rest ( Containing now only the core update files ) fits
> > on one CD
>
> You are being very optimistic.
> TL (formerly ML) CDs have always been more than 2 CDs.
> It would be nice if IBM could offer iso images of their TL/ML CDs
> for download, just as they did for the microcode.
> This would allow users to burn new CDs from time to time,
> I've experienced the IBM delivered ones to "wear out" after only
> 1 or 2 years.

As mentioned earlier you surely must be able to find 2GB spare on one
of your servers and then just use NFS. Why do you take your servers
off the network to install a TL ?? This isnt necessary. You are
making a lot of work for yourself by using CD's and having to
physically be at each machine. if you done have that much disk free
than install linux on a PC and use that to install from via NFS.

Scott

In article <[email protected]>,
scott <[email protected]> writes:

> As mentioned earlier you surely must be able to find 2GB spare on one
> of your servers and then just use NFS. Why do you take your servers
> off the network to install a TL ?? This isnt necessary. You are
> making a lot of work for yourself by using CD's and having to
> physically be at each machine.

Just as the OP I personally prefer a fresh install from CD,
i.e. have a fully secured box before connecting to any network.
Last I heard was that a PC connected to the internet is being
attacked within 40 seconds or so. Of course an AIX box should be a
little bit more secure, but a bit of paranoia doesn't hurt.

> if you done have that much disk free
> than install linux on a PC and use that to install from via NFS.

I think an AIX box should be able to stand on its own feet
and not need a crappy PC to operate.

On 18 Jan, 14:03, [email protected] (Michael Kraemer) wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
>
> scott <[email protected]> writes:
> > As mentioned earlier you surely must be able to find 2GB spare on one
> > of your servers and then just use NFS. *Why do you take your servers
> > off the network to install a TL ?? *This isnt necessary. *You are
> > making a lot of work for yourself by using CD's and having to
> > physically be at each machine. *
>
> Just as the OP I personally prefer a fresh install from CD,
> i.e. have a fully secured box before connecting to any network.
> Last I heard was that a PC connected to the internet is being
> attacked within 40 seconds or so. Of course an AIX box should be a
> little bit more secure, but a bit of paranoia doesn't hurt.
>
> > if you done have that much disk free
> > than install linux on a PC and use that to install from via NFS.
>
> I think an AIX box should be able to stand on its own feet
> and not need a crappy PC to operate.

The OP isnt doing a fresh install, he is putting TL7 onto AIX servers
currently running at an earlier TL or ML level so they are already
going to be on a network and hopefully secure.

Also I'd assme the OP had some sort of firewall and other security in
place and didnt have his AIX servers (or PC's) connected directly to
the internet and is goijg over an interal network. Plus I said to use
Linux on a PC, not Windows on a PC which is no doubt where you get
your 'attacked within 40 seconds' figures from.

And of course AIX doesnt need a 'crappy PC' to operate, but if you
want to install a TL over the network via NFS from another server you
need to NFS mount if from somewhere - thats hardly the same as AIX
needing a PC to operate!!

Regards,
Scott