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#1 (**permalink**) 02-07-2008, 02:27 PM

Hi,

after searching the HP Site w/o success I hope someone on the Group
might help:

The shor story: How might I get a legal Version of HP-UX 11 and is there
something like the "Technical Enthusiast License" Digital used to issue
for private users who wanted to get Tru64?

The long story: After migration of our last HP-UX customer to Linux I
asked IT if I might get the machine we used to compile the app on, which
is a C200. None of us really felt comfortable with HP-UX, as we didn't
know enough about it -- and I wanted to take the chance to get familar
with HP-UX now.

Now, the machine is set-up in my living room and runs, but I'd like to
try a clean Install (HP-UX 11 was installed by 2001) but we didn't find
the CDs.

Would be great to get this solved!

MTIA!
Cheers,
_ralf_

#2 (**permalink**) 02-07-2008, 02:27 PM

Ralf Folkerts wrote:
> Hi,
>
> after searching the HP Site w/o success I hope someone on the Group
> might help:
>
> The shor story: How might I get a legal Version of HP-UX 11 and is there
> something like the "Technical Enthusiast License" Digital used to issue
> for private users who wanted to get Tru64?
>
> The long story: After migration of our last HP-UX customer to Linux I
> asked IT if I might get the machine we used to compile the app on, which
> is a C200. None of us really felt comfortable with HP-UX, as we didn't
> know enough about it -- and I wanted to take the chance to get familar
> with HP-UX now.
>
> Now, the machine is set-up in my living room and runs, but I'd like to
> try a clean Install (HP-UX 11 was installed by 2001) but we didn't find
> the CDs.
>
> Would be great to get this solved!
>
> MTIA!
> Cheers,
> _ralf_

Where (approx) are you located?

#3 (**permalink**) 02-07-2008, 02:27 PM

* Ralf Folkerts:

> after searching the HP Site w/o success I hope someone on the Group
> might help:

Well, a short search with groups.google.com would have answered your
question as this has been discussed to dead already.

> The shor story: How might I get a legal Version of HP-UX 11 and is there
> something like the "Technical Enthusiast License" Digital used to issue
> for private users who wanted to get Tru64?

No, there isn't. Unlike Tru64 HP-UX (at least on workstations) licenses
are not bound to an owner but to a machine. That means the license is
always bound to a certain system. With older servers (Series 800) it's
different, though: on these machines HP-UX licenses are bound to machine
*and* owner.

As to HP-UX media: you can buy them for a riddiculous price from HP, but
not 11.0 any more since it's EOL'd already. But the HP-UX license allows
you to buy media (not copies of these media!!!) elsewhere or to borrow
them from someone to reinstall HP-UX on your machine.

> The long story: After migration of our last HP-UX customer to Linux I
> asked IT if I might get the machine we used to compile the app on, which
> is a C200. None of us really felt comfortable with HP-UX, as we didn't
> know enough about it -- and I wanted to take the chance to get familar
> with HP-UX now.
>
> Now, the machine is set-up in my living room and runs, but I'd like to
> try a clean Install (HP-UX 11 was installed by 2001) but we didn't find
> the CDs.

Check ebay, HP-UX CD sets can be found there regularly. Or maybe someone
here has an old CD set that he wants to give to you.

BTW: since 11.0 is obsolete I'd recommend to get HP-UX 11i v1 for your
machine.

Benjamin

#4 (**permalink**) 02-07-2008, 02:27 PM

Benjamin Gawert schrieb:
> * Ralf Folkerts:
>
>> after searching the HP Site w/o success I hope someone on the Group
>> might help:
>
> Well, a short search with groups.google.com would have answered your
> question as this has been discussed to dead already.
>
>> The shor story: How might I get a legal Version of HP-UX 11 and is
>> there something like the "Technical Enthusiast License" Digital used
>> to issue for private users who wanted to get Tru64?
>
> No, there isn't. Unlike Tru64 HP-UX (at least on workstations) licenses
> are not bound to an owner but to a machine. That means the license is
> always bound to a certain system. With older servers (Series 800) it's
> different, though: on these machines HP-UX licenses are bound to machine
> *and* owner.
>
> As to HP-UX media: you can buy them for a riddiculous price from HP, but
> not 11.0 any more since it's EOL'd already. But the HP-UX license allows
> you to buy media (not copies of these media!!!) elsewhere or to borrow
> them from someone to reinstall HP-UX on your machine.
>
>> The long story: After migration of our last HP-UX customer to Linux I
>> asked IT if I might get the machine we used to compile the app on,
>> which is a C200. None of us really felt comfortable with HP-UX, as we
>> didn't know enough about it -- and I wanted to take the chance to get
>> familar with HP-UX now.
>>
>> Now, the machine is set-up in my living room and runs, but I'd like to
>> try a clean Install (HP-UX 11 was installed by 2001) but we didn't
>> find the CDs.
>
> Check ebay, HP-UX CD sets can be found there regularly. Or maybe someone
> here has an old CD set that he wants to give to you.
>
> BTW: since 11.0 is obsolete I'd recommend to get HP-UX 11i v1 for your
> machine.
>
> Benjamin

Hi Benjamin,

thanks for your reply! For your first comment: Well, I did do a search
in comp.sys.hp.hpux. I also subscribed the group two weeks before I
posted my question (as I regularly do) in the hope to find an FAQ.
However, my ISP seems to expire Articles (in this particular group)
rather soon and so I didn't find anything. I must admit that I rely on
my ISPs INN and don't use groups.g**gle etc.

For the License-Answer: OK, thanks for making that clear! I'll set-up a
search on eBay. However, do you have a estimate of what HP will charge
for the Media (or, maybe a URL for that Info on the HP Site)?

Thanks!
Cheers,
_ralf_

#5 (**permalink**) 02-07-2008, 02:28 PM

* Ralf Folkerts:

> thanks for your reply! For your first comment: Well, I did do a search
> in comp.sys.hp.hpux. I also subscribed the group two weeks before I
> posted my question (as I regularly do) in the hope to find an FAQ.

Sadly there isn't really a FAQ.

> However, my ISP seems to expire Articles (in this particular group)
> rather soon and so I didn't find anything. I must admit that I rely on
> my ISPs INN and don't use groups.g**gle etc.

Searching over your news provider usually is a bad idea, not only for
the reasons you experienced. Groups.google.com is much better as it
stores (almost) all UseNet messages and goes back to at least a decade ago.

> For the License-Answer: OK, thanks for making that clear! I'll set-up a
> search on eBay. However, do you have a estimate of what HP will charge
> for the Media (or, maybe a URL for that Info on the HP Site)?

The last time I looked after that (which was around two years ago)
buying the media regularly was somewhere around 650EUR. Strangely, there
were occasions where HP gave them away for free (i.e. due to Y2k they
gave away 10.20 for free, then when 10.20 was EOL'd they gave 11.0 away,
when 11.0 was EOL'd they gave away 11i v1), but every of these
give-away-phases was rather short. For some time you also could order
11i CD kits for free on the HP website, but that program has been
terminated.

Benjamin

#6 (**permalink**) 02-07-2008, 02:28 PM

Benjamin Gawert <[email protected]> wrote:
> * Ralf Folkerts:
>
> > thanks for your reply! For your first comment: Well, I did do a search
> > in comp.sys.hp.hpux. I also subscribed the group two weeks before I
> > posted my question (as I regularly do) in the hope to find an FAQ.
>
> Sadly there isn't really a FAQ.

Well, the "comp.sys.hp.hpux FAQ" is regularly posted and was just
(today) posted again.

However it is posted in a rather broken way, i.e. with an old/
duplicate Message-ID:, with an expired Expires: header, with conflicting
X-Last-Updated:/Last-modified:, with an even older version at
<http://www.faqs.org/faqs/hp/hpux-faq>, etc..

<http://howardk.freenix.org> can retrieve *part* of (an older version
of) the article (<hp/[email protected]>), but it
truncates it because it's too big.

Google Groups does not seem to have it, probably because of the
expired Expires: header.

Because of this, <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/hp/hpux-faq> is the best
reference I can give.

I will send this response to the (listed) maintainer. Hopefully he
will fix things.

[...]

#7 (**permalink**) 02-07-2008, 02:28 PM

Frank Slootweg schrieb:

[...]
> Well, the "comp.sys.hp.hpux FAQ" is regularly posted and was just
> (today) posted again.
>
> However it is posted in a rather broken way, i.e. with an old/
> duplicate Message-ID:, with an expired Expires: header, with conflicting
> X-Last-Updated:/Last-modified:, with an even older version at
> <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/hp/hpux-faq>, etc..
>
> <http://howardk.freenix.org> can retrieve *part* of (an older version
> of) the article (<hp/[email protected]>), but it
> truncates it because it's too big.
>
> Google Groups does not seem to have it, probably because of the
> expired Expires: header.
>
> Because of this, <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/hp/hpux-faq> is the best
> reference I can give.
>
> I will send this response to the (listed) maintainer. Hopefully he
> will fix things.
>
> [...]

Hi Frank,

thanks for pointing me to faqs.org! I should have checked there before!

Well, this Groups FAQ *just* came thru my ISPs News-Server ;-)

Cheers,
_ralf_

#8 (**permalink**) 02-07-2008, 02:28 PM

Benjamin Gawert schrieb:

[...]
> The last time I looked after that (which was around two years ago)
> buying the media regularly was somewhere around 650EUR. Strangely, there
> were occasions where HP gave them away for free (i.e. due to Y2k they
> gave away 10.20 for free, then when 10.20 was EOL'd they gave 11.0 away,
> when 11.0 was EOL'd they gave away 11i v1), but every of these
> give-away-phases was rather short. For some time you also could order
> 11i CD kits for free on the HP website, but that program has been
> terminated.

Hi Benjamin,

thanks! Well, that's what I'd really call expensive :-(

However, we managed to find a (the) HP-UX 11 i CD-Set (dated September
2001) that was hidden (hiding?) in a Cabinet. So, while that's not the
most recent Version I think I can perform a fresh install now and play
around!

Cheers,
_ralf_

#9 (**permalink**) 02-07-2008, 02:28 PM

* Ralf Folkerts:

>> The last time I looked after that (which was around two years ago)
>> buying the media regularly was somewhere around 650EUR.[..]
>
> thanks! Well, that's what I'd really call expensive :-(

Well, I had other words for that in mind (like "ridiculous" or
"idiotic") ;-)

> However, we managed to find a (the) HP-UX 11 i CD-Set (dated September
> 2001) that was hidden (hiding?) in a Cabinet. So, while that's not the
> most recent Version I think I can perform a fresh install now and play
> around!

It doesn't have to be the latest version. It's 11i so it's still
supported, and you can download the updates from itrc.hp.com for free to
get it up2date.

Benjamin

#10 (**permalink**) 02-08-2008, 12:58 AM

Benjamin Gawert schrieb:
> * Ralf Folkerts:
>
>>> The last time I looked after that (which was around two years ago)
>>> buying the media regularly was somewhere around 650EUR.[..]
> >
>> thanks! Well, that's what I'd really call expensive :-(
>
> Well, I had other words for that in mind (like "ridiculous" or
> "idiotic") ;-)
>
>> However, we managed to find a (the) HP-UX 11 i CD-Set (dated September
>> 2001) that was hidden (hiding?) in a Cabinet. So, while that's not the
>> most recent Version I think I can perform a fresh install now and play
>> around!
>
> It doesn't have to be the latest version. It's 11i so it's still
> supported, and you can download the updates from itrc.hp.com for free to
> get it up2date.
>
> Benjamin

Hi Benjamin,

well, re. the Price I'd say "it depends" ;-) Compared to the 75$ I used
to pay for Tru64 several years ago it's rather expensive, compared to
OS/400 (or however IBM calls it today) it does not seem too much, as I
was unable to get a License from IBM for my tweo AS/400s at all :-(.

I will check the Updates but I hope I don't need any. After all, the
System just stands, besides several other Systems, in my Living Room. I
only have to persuade myself to use telnet; I'm a bit reluctant to that
(and will soon try to install openssh on the C200), however, even telnet
should not pose a Problem in my Living Room at all :-)

Thanks again for your help!
Cheers,
_ralf_

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