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Tom Newton wrote:
> On 2008-02-07, Peter Ludikovsky <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Tom Newton wrote:
>>> On 2008-02-07, Udo Huebner <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Hi all -
>>>>
>>>> in my WinXP-Home system there are 3 hard discs.
>>>> Grub starts WinXP, Linux and Win98SE where Win98SE sits in the primary
>>>> partition of the third disc.
>>>> The third disc contains 2 partitions: 1 primary, 1 logical, labeled in
>>>> Grub as hd2,0 and hd2,4.
>>>>
>>>> This third small disc was now changed by a 400GB disc again partitioned
>>>> in 2 partitions, 1 primary and 1 logical, but the primary partition is
>>>> now labeled hdc3 (not hdc1 ?) or in Grub as hd2,2 (not hd2,0 ?) which I
>>>> recognized when Win98SE did not start. Thus, I had to change this
>>>> additinally in Grub.
>>>>
>>>> How can this labeling occur?
>>>> Partioning had been done by Acronis Partition Expert under WinXP.
>>>>
>>>> Regards Udo
>>> I find it kind of odd that you consider Windows important enough to post
>>> the version, but not Linux.
>>>
>>> Windows1, Linux and Windows2 would have been fair.
>>>
>>> I, for one, am not going to help you run Windows, regardless. I recommend
>>> mke2fs /dev/hda
>>> mke2fs /dev/hdc
>>>
>>> You get the drift....
>>>
>>> Then mount one as /var and ond one as /usr.
>>>
>>> Now make up your mind: Are you a Linux Runner or a Windows Weenie?
>>>
>>> And keep in mind that KDE is only the first step towards learning to run
>>> Linux. You'll have to give up the training wheels some day...
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>> Way to go Mr. Subtle! Most people I know switched to Linux because they
>> percieved the community to be friendly and helpful, instead of
>> hate-mongering.
>
> I don't hate Windows. It's just nasty piece of software. A virus no one
> should install on their computer.
>
> I don't hate the black plague. I call it a nasty disease because it is.
>
> One trie to dissuade people from doing things that are harmful, and that's
> okay if you have a good replacement, which we do. It's called 'Linux".
>
> I'd warn you about a poisonous snake in your path, too. Doesn't
> mean I hate poisonous snakes. I don't. They are fascinating creatures.
> I just don't want one under my fingertips and I'd suggest that you
> don't try it either.
>
>> Personally, I'd rather try to help people, thus easing the transition,
>> instead of trying to enforce a binary decision on them...
>
> That occurred to me. But I figured he'd get plenty of that. And I was right.
>
> Personally, I think I did the right thing.
>
> Especially considering that KDE (etc.) are clones of the Windows user interface
> and thus very easy for Windows people to pick up.
>
> They aren't really doing anything but moving their training
> wheels over to a new bicycle.
>
> Regardless, the OP will do what is best for him.
>
> I just happen to think he should hear all opinions on the subject.
>
> Not just the ones you want to be aired.
>
> Tom

Some people are not interested in anything but the use of the computer
for non-computing purposes, i.e. such matters as communication
or similarly to a typewriter for producing documents or graphics as one
might equally well do with a pencil or brushes, inks and or paints.
` I like to manipulate my digital photos with the gimp. I don't
much care about the commands available thru bash. I learned cli and
scripting on the Amiga before Linus Trowald knew he should write his own
kernel. I am not doing that again. And whether you like it or not I
will use whatever OS I need to use to run whatever softwares I need to
run to get done whatever I need to do with a computer. I think Windows
is a pain due to Microsoft's folly but I don't call Bill (the) Gates (of
Hell) since I put aside my Commodore C=64/128 where I learned about
BASIC and CPM.

Write about Linux setup please and make a 70 year old woman happy
instead of cluttering my Thunderbird and others newsreaders with
advocacy crap.

later
bliss -- C O C O A Powered... (at california dot com)

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On 2008-02-07, bobbie sellers <[email protected]> wrote:
> Tom Newton wrote:
>> On 2008-02-07, Peter Ludikovsky <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Tom Newton wrote:
>>>> On 2008-02-07, Udo Huebner <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Hi all -
>>>>>
>>>>> in my WinXP-Home system there are 3 hard discs.
>>>>> Grub starts WinXP, Linux and Win98SE where Win98SE sits in the primary
>>>>> partition of the third disc.
>>>>> The third disc contains 2 partitions: 1 primary, 1 logical, labeled in
>>>>> Grub as hd2,0 and hd2,4.
>>>>>
>>>>> This third small disc was now changed by a 400GB disc again partitioned
>>>>> in 2 partitions, 1 primary and 1 logical, but the primary partition is
>>>>> now labeled hdc3 (not hdc1 ?) or in Grub as hd2,2 (not hd2,0 ?) which I
>>>>> recognized when Win98SE did not start. Thus, I had to change this
>>>>> additinally in Grub.
>>>>>
>>>>> How can this labeling occur?
>>>>> Partioning had been done by Acronis Partition Expert under WinXP.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards Udo
>>>> I find it kind of odd that you consider Windows important enough to post
>>>> the version, but not Linux.
>>>>
>>>> Windows1, Linux and Windows2 would have been fair.
>>>>
>>>> I, for one, am not going to help you run Windows, regardless. I recommend
>>>> mke2fs /dev/hda
>>>> mke2fs /dev/hdc
>>>>
>>>> You get the drift....
>>>>
>>>> Then mount one as /var and ond one as /usr.
>>>>
>>>> Now make up your mind: Are you a Linux Runner or a Windows Weenie?
>>>>
>>>> And keep in mind that KDE is only the first step towards learning to run
>>>> Linux. You'll have to give up the training wheels some day...
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>> Way to go Mr. Subtle! Most people I know switched to Linux because they
>>> percieved the community to be friendly and helpful, instead of
>>> hate-mongering.
>>
>> I don't hate Windows. It's just nasty piece of software. A virus no one
>> should install on their computer.
>>
>> I don't hate the black plague. I call it a nasty disease because it is.
>>
>> One trie to dissuade people from doing things that are harmful, and that's
>> okay if you have a good replacement, which we do. It's called 'Linux".
>>
>> I'd warn you about a poisonous snake in your path, too. Doesn't
>> mean I hate poisonous snakes. I don't. They are fascinating creatures.
>> I just don't want one under my fingertips and I'd suggest that you
>> don't try it either.
>>
>>> Personally, I'd rather try to help people, thus easing the transition,
>>> instead of trying to enforce a binary decision on them...
>>
>> That occurred to me. But I figured he'd get plenty of that. And I was right.
>>
>> Personally, I think I did the right thing.
>>
>> Especially considering that KDE (etc.) are clones of the Windows user interface
>> and thus very easy for Windows people to pick up.
>>
>> They aren't really doing anything but moving their training
>> wheels over to a new bicycle.
>>
>> Regardless, the OP will do what is best for him.
>>
>> I just happen to think he should hear all opinions on the subject.
>>
>> Not just the ones you want to be aired.
>>
>> Tom
>
> Some people are not interested in anything but the use of the computer
> for non-computing purposes, i.e. such matters as communication
> or similarly to a typewriter for producing documents or graphics as one
> might equally well do with a pencil or brushes, inks and or paints.

Then use Windows or Mac.

> ` I like to manipulate my digital photos with the gimp. I don't
> much care about the commands available thru bash.

The "commands available through bash" are the names of executables, which
you certainly do care about, even if those names are hidden behind cutesy
icons you click on with your mouse.

> I learned cli and scripting on the Amiga before Linus Trowald
> knew he should write his own kernel. I am not doing that again.

So don't.

> will use whatever OS I need to use to run whatever softwares I need to
> run to get done whatever I need to do with a computer.

And myself and many others won't help you do it with Linux.

We don't want to see Linux turned into a clone of Windows.

> I think Windows
> is a pain due to Microsoft's folly but I don't call Bill (the) Gates (of
> Hell) since I put aside my Commodore C=64/128 where I learned about
> BASIC and CPM.
>
> Write about Linux setup please and make a 70 year old woman happy
> instead of cluttering my Thunderbird and others newsreaders with
> advocacy crap.

I am not "advocating". Most of the people advocating Linux are just like
you. They want Linux to become commercial so they can make money with their
computer skills.

I am doing just the opposite: I am anti-advocating Linux.

I am talking about preventing the corporate takeover of Linux by discouraging
people like you from running it. Because you won't run it unless you have
a lot of eye candy and don't have to learn anything about Linux and don't
have to type.

Make a 50 year old man happy and go back to the Windows world where you belong.

Tom

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On 2008-02-08, Tom Newton <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2008-02-07, bobbie sellers <[email protected]> wrote:

> Some people are not interested in anything but the use of the computer
> for non-computing purposes,

So you should be using Windows or Mac.